I think I got ripped off... :(

[ElijahF]

Originally Posted by Joveen

OFT sucker following my comments it seems. OFT is bs. The price for that trash is a rip off. Do yourself a favor op and get ecutek.

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I agree. The OFT would be a good choice for a novice if it was like $150-ish, but $500 for a DS with one screen is just ridiculous.

And the V2 just upgraded it to a DSi with one screen instead of a DS.

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by ElijahF

I agree. The OFT would be a good choice for a novice if it was like $150-ish, but $500 for a DS with one screen is just ridiculous.

And the V2 just upgraded it to a DSi with one screen instead of a DS.

It's not ideal, but for us DIY'ers it is serviceable. I'd rather not try to datalog on track with a tactrix hooked up to my laptop in the car.

[spike021]

Originally Posted by NoHaveMSG

Crying about an off the shelf tune with OFT is no different if you got a bad off the shelf tune from Ecutek.

It's also possible to get a bad custom tune that was simply applied with Ecutek.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Ya, I got one - it works great, really peps that old girl up -


humfrz

Even in 1950 Mazda couldn't make a front end that didn't look ridiculous!










Before I get 100 corrections I know it is not a 1950 Miata

[Cole]

Originally Posted by Joveen

OFT sucker following my comments it seems. OFT is bs. The price for that trash is a rip off. Do yourself a favor op and get ecutek.

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And how much experience do you have with tuning cars?

[FRSBRZGT86FAN]

Originally Posted by Joveen

OFT sucker following my comments it seems. OFT is bs. The price for that trash is a rip off. Do yourself a favor op and get ecutek.

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I mean, you get the same level of functionality as ecutek if you know what your doing, been using an OFT for a few years now with no issues and a decent power bump with safe datalogging values on e85 and 93.

A tune is only as good as it's tuner.

I'm curious what issues you had with your OFT at some point or had heard?

[shiumai]

Originally Posted by Omnivus

Well anyways, the one I bought plugs into the OBD2 port and then I read that you can't program the ECU from the OBD2 port, so any performance chip that plugs into the ODB2 port is a scam.

Could you tell any difference when you plugged it in?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Cole

And how much experience do you have with tuning cars?

Originally Posted by FRSBRZGT86FAN

A tune is only as good as it's tuner.

[extrashaky]

Am I the only one who recognized the original post as spam?

Really?

And he got this group to talk about or around his product for three pages without even providing a link. I wonder how many clicks this has generated.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Am I the only one who recognized the original post as spam?

Really?

And he got this group to talk about or around his product for three pages without even providing a link. I wonder how many clicks this has generated.

Worst spam ever then.
"My product sucks and I am not even going to link to it"?
Not spam just a guy wondering if he got ripped off and getting an answer.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Worst spam ever then.
"My product sucks and I am not even going to link to it"?
Not spam just a guy wondering if he got ripped off and getting an answer.

No, it's spam, and pretty clever at that. There are a couple of tells:

"Well, the one I ended up buying was from JDM on some performancechiptuning website that actually looks shady now that I think of it."

Nobody except the spammer would type that run together exactly the way the website URL appears. I suspect he originally typed performancechiptuning.com, realized that people would recognize the spam and removed the .com from the end. The first thing most of us would do is search for performancechiptuning to see what the hell he's talking about and find his website at the very top of the search results.

Written that way, he doesn't have to actually link to the site. His marks (or a compatriot posting under a different name) will do it for him.

He's also using a clever substitution technique that Trump often uses for persuasion:

"Well anyways, the one I bought plugs into the OBD2 port and then I read that you can't program the ECU from the OBD2 port, so any performance chip that plugs into the ODB2 port is a scam."

That sets up an irrelevant, unrelated discussion where people who might otherwise immediately say it's a scam find themselves defending his product... against him. It's misdirection that continues to draw attention to his website while people discuss the red herring. The substitution comes when people agree that he's wrong about programming via the OBDII port, so it must also be wrong that "any performance chip that plugs into the ODB2 port is a scam." Logically that doesn't follow, but he has effectively linked them together so that doubt about one leads to doubt about the other.

Finally, he's also using a persuasion technique called "pacing and leading." That's where you identify your mark's position, agree with it to get their buy-in (pacing), then move in the direction you want the mark to follow (leading). It's an extremely effective technique.

It's pretty common for people on automotive message boards to immediately respond to posts about aftermarket chips with derision. So he paces that expected position, starting out saying he thinks the chip he bought is a scam. I strongly suspect that a subsequent poster is a compatriot (or the same guy with a different login) who picks up the leading part and steers people toward thinking some of these products actually are legit. Even if it's not, the leading is still there in the substitution mentioned above.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

No, it's spam, and pretty clever at that. There are a couple of tells:

"Well, the one I ended up buying was from JDM on some performancechiptuning website that actually looks shady now that I think of it."

Nobody except the spammer would type that run together exactly the way the website URL appears. I suspect he originally typed performancechiptuning.com, realized that people would recognize the spam and removed the .com from the end. The first thing most of us would do is search for performancechiptuning to see what the hell he's talking about and find his website at the very top of the search results.

Written that way, he doesn't have to actually link to the site. His marks (or a compatriot posting under a different name) will do it for him.

He's also using a clever substitution technique that Trump often uses for persuasion:

"Well anyways, the one I bought plugs into the OBD2 port and then I read that you can't program the ECU from the OBD2 port, so any performance chip that plugs into the ODB2 port is a scam."

That sets up an irrelevant, unrelated discussion where people who might otherwise immediately say it's a scam find themselves defending his product... against him. It's misdirection that continues to draw attention to his website while people discuss the red herring. The substitution comes when people agree that he's wrong about programming via the OBDII port, so it must also be wrong that "any performance chip that plugs into the ODB2 port is a scam." Logically that doesn't follow, but he has effectively linked them together so that doubt about one leads to doubt about the other.

Finally, he's also using a persuasion technique called "pacing and leading." That's where you identify your mark's position, agree with it to get their buy-in (pacing), then move in the direction you want the mark to follow (leading). It's an extremely effective technique.

It's pretty common for people on automotive message boards to immediately respond to posts about aftermarket chips with derision. So he paces that expected position, starting out saying he thinks the chip he bought is a scam. I strongly suspect that a subsequent poster is a compatriot (or the same guy with a different login) who picks up the leading part and steers people toward thinking some of these products actually are legit. Even if it's not, the leading is still there in the substitution mentioned above.

Yu could be over analyzing the whole thing.
It is however odd that he never said as much as "thanks guys" even though he was online just this morning.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Yu could be over analyzing the whole thing.

But I'm not.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

It is however odd that he never said as much as "thanks guys" even though he was online just this morning.

I doubt he'll be back. He has no interest in this site. It's a one-and-done spam post for that user ID.

[mav1178]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

Am I the only one who recognized the original post as spam?

Really?

And he got this group to talk about or around his product for three pages without even providing a link. I wonder how many clicks this has generated.

I would've recognized as spam like you, except I wasn't online for like 5 days.

First reply to OP should've been "good job on the spam", creating demand for something out of nothing just like the US government!