follow ft86club on our blog, twitter or facebook.
FT86CLUB
Ft86Club
Xero Limit
Register Garage Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   Scion FR-S Forum | Subaru BRZ Forum | Toyota 86 GT 86 Forum | AS1 Forum - FT86CLUB > Technical Topics > Forced Induction

Forced Induction Turbo, Supercharger, Methanol, Nitrous


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-30-2018, 01:28 AM   #1
Cal3000
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Drives: Panda FR-S
Location: Corona, California
Posts: 525
Thanks: 291
Thanked 375 Times in 160 Posts
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Would I boost this car again if I had the chance?

Probably not.

Got my car back in '12 and immediately boosted in early '13. I still have my SC on and driven over 160k miles with the car and 140+k miles while boosted. I can say, I was the lucky ones to have the engine last so long until my valves took a dump. It still runs, but sloppy.

However, looking at all the money I spent to get to 312whp ($10,000 for 130whp gain) and the constant issues with throwout bearings failing and worry of other drivetrain components, I'd rather go with a platform that is boosted from the factory. If I wanted to go to the next step, I'd have to do an expensive engine build for forged internals.

For comparison, I picked up an Evo X, placed $3,500 in it and have 390whp(+140whp gain). Stock internals are good to about 500whp, stock transmission can hold up to 1000whp, stock clutch can handle 400wtq. All that is needed is a larger bolt on turbo to reach the 500whp.

What I'm saying is there are plenty of other platforms to make cheaper, easier power on. Twins are a great platform, but a huge headache at the same time.
__________________
Vortech SC on 9psi Pulley, Invidia Catless Front Pipe, Invidia N1 Catback Exhaust
242whp/197ft-lb on Mustang Dyno (91 octane water)
284whp/223ft-lb on Mustang Dyno (E85)
Delicious Tuning
Cal3000 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Cal3000 For This Useful Post:
Rampage (10-31-2018), S84kam (11-25-2018), whataboutbob (11-02-2018)
Old 10-30-2018, 01:41 AM   #2
mrha
#1819
 
mrha's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2012
Drives: Lightning Red Subaru BRZ
Location: Garden Grove, CA
Posts: 312
Thanks: 81
Thanked 115 Times in 65 Posts
Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
I went from an 08 EVO GSR to my 13 BRZ-L. As a daily driver I don't miss the EVO one bit. When I wanna flex on exotics I miss the EVO lots.
mrha is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to mrha For This Useful Post:
Cal3000 (10-30-2018)
Old 10-30-2018, 03:13 AM   #3
CSG Mike
 
CSG Mike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2012
Drives: S2000 CR
Location: Orange County
Posts: 12,284
Thanks: 7,598
Thanked 11,772 Times in 5,631 Posts
Mentioned: 846 Post(s)
Tagged: 13 Thread(s)
How about a 700hp mustang with a factory warranty for $42k?

Unbeatable value.
CSG Mike is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to CSG Mike For This Useful Post:
Cal3000 (10-30-2018), Lantanafrs2 (10-30-2018), Tristor (10-30-2018), Verl0r4n (10-30-2018)
Old 10-30-2018, 03:49 AM   #4
Verl0r4n
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2017
Drives: GT86
Location: Australia
Posts: 23
Thanks: 3
Thanked 7 Times in 5 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
If all you wanted was a rwd coupe with 300whp then you should have just bought an M2. Half the joy this car has is the modification not the end result. Theres a 1001 different things you can do with them whereas Im flatout trying to find a video on youtube of an M2 with more than just a chip/exhaust

Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk
Verl0r4n is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Verl0r4n For This Useful Post:
Cal3000 (10-30-2018), Leonardo (10-30-2018), rns294 (10-30-2018)
Old 10-30-2018, 04:41 AM   #5
ZionsWrath
Thanks
 
ZionsWrath's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2013
Drives: BRZ
Location: NY
Posts: 4,023
Thanks: 5,889
Thanked 2,968 Times in 1,440 Posts
Mentioned: 34 Post(s)
Tagged: 3 Thread(s)
Sounds like you want a highway puller. Nothing wrong with that and i agree there are much better street cars for the money.

I think this car is great as a track car. Cheap to run and fun. If you are tracking a high hp car your costs will at least increase basically exponentially. For example GTR guys can eat up a set of tires in a weekend.

__________________
ZionsWrath is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to ZionsWrath For This Useful Post:
Cal3000 (10-30-2018), CSG Mike (10-30-2018), paintdude258 (11-06-2018), Rampage (10-31-2018)
Old 10-30-2018, 08:54 AM   #6
DarkPira7e
New Member
 
DarkPira7e's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2017
Drives: 13 Firestorm Red FRS
Location: Burlington Vermont
Posts: 801
Thanks: 419
Thanked 593 Times in 322 Posts
Mentioned: 8 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
For most people, this car is meant to fulfill a unique niche. It's a lightweight coupe RWD car with incredible handling characteristics. I agree that it's somewhat disappointing walking on eggshells for 3-400whp when other cars juggle it easily. But no amount of $ can make them small, RWD maybe, a bit lighter maybe. Better handling for sure, but dollar for dollar, they can't come close to the twins if anything but power is why you bought the car.

I feel that some of us who cherish this car have hopelessly been stuck in the 80s/90s. This car is fulfilling so many weird "small car rwd" fantasies for me without being a Miata or an e30/36 BMW, it's perfect. Bonus: it has a great fueling system and fuel mileage!
DarkPira7e is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 14 Users Say Thank You to DarkPira7e For This Useful Post:
ATL BRZ (10-31-2018), Bonburner (10-31-2018), Cal3000 (10-30-2018), CSG Mike (10-31-2018), FastWhite (10-30-2018), HKz (10-30-2018), new2subaru (12-16-2018), Rampage (10-31-2018), sid94 (10-30-2018), SuperTom (11-03-2018), Takumi788 (10-30-2018), Tcoat (10-30-2018), Tristor (10-30-2018), Victorscp (12-13-2018)
Old 10-30-2018, 09:32 AM   #7
Cal3000
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Drives: Panda FR-S
Location: Corona, California
Posts: 525
Thanks: 291
Thanked 375 Times in 160 Posts
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Verl0r4n View Post
If all you wanted was a rwd coupe with 300whp then you should have just bought an M2. Half the joy this car has is the modification not the end result. Theres a 1001 different things you can do with them whereas Im flatout trying to find a video on youtube of an M2 with more than just a chip/exhaust

Sent from my SM-G950F using Tapatalk
I get excited getting to the point I want to get to. Iíve been through it all. Itís only fun when you are on budget. It gets annoying when you repeatedly start going over budget and it becomes a headache when you have do constant repairs. In the end, I look back and I spent way too much money.
__________________
Vortech SC on 9psi Pulley, Invidia Catless Front Pipe, Invidia N1 Catback Exhaust
242whp/197ft-lb on Mustang Dyno (91 octane water)
284whp/223ft-lb on Mustang Dyno (E85)
Delicious Tuning
Cal3000 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Cal3000 For This Useful Post:
Leonardo (10-30-2018)
Old 10-30-2018, 09:35 AM   #8
8RZ
The Gunshine State
 
8RZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2016
Drives: '14 BRZ Limited
Location: Florida
Posts: 1,332
Thanks: 563
Thanked 1,039 Times in 522 Posts
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
Yep, sometimes I miss my factory-boosted MS3. Sometimes.


The BRZ is "more fun" to drive around town though.
__________________
8RZ is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to 8RZ For This Useful Post:
Cal3000 (10-30-2018)
Old 10-30-2018, 09:37 AM   #9
Cal3000
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2012
Drives: Panda FR-S
Location: Corona, California
Posts: 525
Thanks: 291
Thanked 375 Times in 160 Posts
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by ZionsWrath View Post
Sounds like you want a highway puller. Nothing wrong with that and i agree there are much better street cars for the money.

I think this car is great as a track car. Cheap to run and fun. If you are tracking a high hp car your costs will at least increase basically exponentially. For example GTR guys can eat up a set of tires in a weekend.

I autoX also. I have no means to track. No truck to tow. If the car breaks, Iím screwed.
I came to a resolution that if Iím going to track the car, Iíd rather track it NA. FI comes with too many problems. Iím going to strip the car down.
__________________
Vortech SC on 9psi Pulley, Invidia Catless Front Pipe, Invidia N1 Catback Exhaust
242whp/197ft-lb on Mustang Dyno (91 octane water)
284whp/223ft-lb on Mustang Dyno (E85)
Delicious Tuning
Cal3000 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 2 Users Say Thank You to Cal3000 For This Useful Post:
Takumi788 (10-30-2018), ZionsWrath (10-30-2018)
Old 10-30-2018, 10:59 AM   #10
ls1ac
Senior Member
 
ls1ac's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Drives: brz/Inovate, Noble M400,AC/LS7
Location: wi/Fl
Posts: 438
Thanks: 102
Thanked 281 Times in 164 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
To answer the question, YES.
Before BRZ, supercharged MINI/S (BMW). Intake, exhaust, pully, tune.
Great little car, tracked it, and enjoyed having my right foot on the floor for lengthy periods of time, and not going stupid fast.
BRZ, love getting back to RWD. I got one of the first Inovate SC. It is just enough to make the back end "happy", 200+. I still track the car some and I still drive with my right foot down a lot. It is just plain fun.
I am lucky enough to have some fast cars, 3-4 seconds and you are loose license territory on the street. Yes this car does what I wanted and with a little extra I smile every time I drive.
ls1ac is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to ls1ac For This Useful Post:
sroby (11-07-2018)
Old 10-30-2018, 11:02 AM   #11
Lantanafrs2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Drives: 2013 frs red
Location: South Florida
Posts: 593
Thanks: 106
Thanked 212 Times in 145 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Imo the car owes you nothing lol. That's a lot of miles for a 300whp car that was designed for 200 crank horse power.
Lantanafrs2 is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 7 Users Say Thank You to Lantanafrs2 For This Useful Post:
cgjeff (11-07-2018), D_Thissen (11-06-2018), olsonpg (10-30-2018), PulsarBeeerz (10-30-2018), StraightOuttaCanadaEh (10-30-2018), Tristor (10-30-2018), yourboyvic (11-06-2018)
Old 10-30-2018, 11:17 AM   #12
Takumi788
Spec13 Motorsports
 
Takumi788's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Drives: 2013 Scion FRS
Location: Syracuse NY
Posts: 1,078
Thanks: 516
Thanked 663 Times in 388 Posts
Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 3 Thread(s)
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by DarkPira7e View Post
I feel that some of us who cherish this car have hopelessly been stuck in the 80s/90s. This car is fulfilling so many weird "small car rwd" fantasies for me without being a Miata or an e30/36 BMW, it's perfect.
^^This.
__________________
- Spec13 Motorsports #813 2013 Scion FRS Build Thread Website
- MFactory/YCW Suspension/SWIFT Springs Coilover thread
Takumi788 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-30-2018, 11:53 AM   #13
gtengr
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2016
Drives: 2017 BRZ
Location: USA
Posts: 607
Thanks: 304
Thanked 234 Times in 163 Posts
Mentioned: 3 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Fair point but the biggest draw of this car to me is the ~2800 lbs weight. If that doesn't matter to you, then yes, modding a twin to make a reliable +310 rhwp is a pretty bad value proposition.
gtengr is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to gtengr For This Useful Post:
CSG Mike (11-01-2018)
Old 10-30-2018, 12:27 PM   #14
PhyrraM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2012
Drives: '17 BRZ PP, old Legacy SSs and SVXs
Location: Redlands, CA
Posts: 119
Thanks: 34
Thanked 84 Times in 49 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
IMHO, the trick to this car is not to get greedy. A HP bump to increase the fun factor is perfect for this car. Going over the top and chasing numbers is what seem to turn people off to the car.

I, personally, have chosen the Harrop kit @ stock boost and have zero regrets. Seems a perfect street car to me. Zero (non-install related) issues in 25K miles.
PhyrraM is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following 4 Users Say Thank You to PhyrraM For This Useful Post:
CSG Mike (11-01-2018), Evil Rocky (10-30-2018), mrg666 (11-01-2018), wbradley (11-01-2018)
 
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Never even had the chance... Irace86.2.0 Other Vehicles & General Automotive Discussions 33 11-03-2017 10:22 PM
all motor any chance? EJ20 Engine, Exhaust, Transmission 64 07-20-2017 01:17 PM
Digital boost gauge w/ vent pod grim speed boost controller Meetjoeblack Engine, Exhaust, Bolt-Ons 0 03-09-2015 01:27 PM
Greddy informeter, boost sensor, boost sensor harness, info touch sensor apaptor Supra2k Audio/Visual, Electronics, Infotainment, NAV 1 02-26-2014 09:11 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:43 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.