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I have been running Hawk DTC and Hawk HP+ on the street for a while now, just drive straight to the autocross event or track day.
however im tired of the squeal and the dust covered my wheel, going to swap on my oem pad this weekend. and start running a dedicated street and track pad from now.
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+1 on minimum temp not being a big deal on entry level track pads, I DD'd and autocrossed XP10(R10 comparable) for awhile and cold bite was excellent, I just couldn't deal with the noise as I couldn't keep them bedded in, R6 will be my next street/AutoX pad, but there's no way I'd put them on track, I'll swap back to the XP10 when I go back.
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It takes 20 minutes to change pads. It's really not a big deal. Once you do it a few times you realize it's a small price to pay for the dramatically improved performance and life.
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I'm with Pat on pretty much all counts. Ideal is to swap between street and track pads. You'll be optimized in all conditions. If you're feeling lazy, the DS2500 is about as good as I've ever seen for a dual-purpose pad, particularly on an 86. Believe it or not, about a month ago I actually had a C7 Z06 customer with our Essex/AP big brake kit accidentally leave the DS2500's in his calipers and run VIR. He didn't fade them once. They burned up more rapidly than his DS1.11's, but the DS2500's really do have a huge usable range. They are a 'hall of fame' pad in my book, and have been for many years.
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@Pat I just realized that I misread the units on Ferodo's chart. It starts fading after 600 C not F. So it definitely has a better curve than the Winmax (can't find a chart for the G-LOC).
Winmax graph: http://winmaxusa.com/wp-content/uplo...COMPARISON.png Ferodo graph: http://www.ferodoracing.com/products...e-pads/ds2500/ The Ferodo are a bit more expensive than the Winmax, but they are looking like a really good option |
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The pads i run on my BRZ have a 0.02μ variance over the ENTIRE range of 0C to 1200C. |
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Entry level race pads (Hawk DTC, Carbotech XP10, Gloc R10, Project Mu Club Racer, Winmax W5, etc.), are made to a price point. They are, entry level, after all. As such, they are designed to be as inexpensive as possible while "getting the job done". Getting the job done, in this case, is having an appropriate amount of friction, and heat tolerance. As you start delving into more premium pads, the increased budget/cost, allows for increased features, such as harmonics (to reduce squeaking/noise), dusting ("less harsh" components), and lubrication (reduces rotor wear). When you get into the truly nice stuff, you get some interesting properties, such as endothermic ablation (absorbs heat as the pad wears, reducing overall brake system temperatures), superior consistency (no friction variance with heat), smoother release (easy, precise trail and mid-corner braking), and longer life (did I mention I'm on track for 25-30 track days on my current set of pads? My rotors get glowing hot at track days). |
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Winmax W3's have been a great hybrid pad for me. I use them for daily driving, autocross, and HPDE. Combined with Castrol SRF, I've never had any brake fade at all. I had some noise issues at first, but after bedding them in really well and adding shims, they're livable now. Because they're so damn pretty it's tempting to run them without shims, but it's not worth the noise.
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