Totally off topic but... BRZ tS or Civic Type R? O_O

[why?]

Just no way I would ever buy a honda. Especially a front wheel drive honda. Seriously the CTR looks like a bad rendition of the STI.

[guybo]

I could get a base Civic for around $20,000 USD. The Type R is around 35K.

Base BRZ is around $25k, the tS will most likely be low $30's.

I don't care about brands, badges or limited editions or resale values. I could buy a base model of either of these cars and spend the difference on mods and make them perform better than the upgraded variant. Especially the Civic- AND I'd have a lot more fun in the process. In the case of the Civic I'd spend a little extra get an upgrade package with a LSD and maybe a brake package. But with the difference in price to a Type R, I could make something a lot better than the Type R is. You pay a lot for badges.

As for the tS- The price difference will be at least $5,000 USD and with that kind of jack you can upgrade the suspension and add forced induction. It'd end up being a lot faster and more fun than a bunch of badges. Plus if I got a tS or Type R package, I wouldn't want to mod it at all and what fun would that be?

[unhappymeal]

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

That's initially true for just about every Next Big Thing to hit, but a demand-supply equilibrium is nearly always established eventually, although patience may be needed. The Focus RS was very hard to get after the initial rush of gushing reviews (albeit a bit less difficult here in Canada). But now 18 months or so out, they are reported to be going out the door for near invoice in several US regions, and are sitting in many dealers' lots.

My prediction for the CTR: in Canada, an order placed by the end of this year for a 2018 will be fulfilled in about 6-8 months - although you'll be paying full MSRP. Of course that may just be wishful thinking.

Maybe. My sister leads the Finance department at Honda Canada and I asked her to give me a ball park. She said Canada's allocation is in the low hundreds or about 1 per dealership (larger ones *might* get 2). I'm not sure what the 2018 production looks like though.

[unhappymeal]

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

No you wouldn't, because the CTR is (and always has been) a four seater....

Edit: I stand corrected. I just noticed there are fewer seat belts in the FK8, so you are right!

[unhappymeal]

Originally Posted by guybo

I could get a base Civic for around $20,000 USD. The Type R is around 35K.

Base BRZ is around $25k, the tS will most likely be low $30's.

I don't care about brands, badges or limited editions or resale values. I could buy a base model of either of these cars and spend the difference on mods and make them perform better than the upgraded variant. Especially the Civic- AND I'd have a lot more fun in the process. In the case of the Civic I'd spend a little extra get an upgrade package with a LSD and maybe a brake package. But with the difference in price to a Type R, I could make something a lot better than the Type R is. You pay a lot for badges.

As for the tS- The price difference will be at least $5,000 USD and with that kind of jack you can upgrade the suspension and add forced induction. It'd end up being a lot faster and more fun than a bunch of badges. Plus if I got a tS or Type R package, I wouldn't want to mod it at all and what fun would that be?

Really? You honestly think you'd be able to source and install the following for $14,000?

-the adjustable 3 valve dampers
-dual axis front suspension
-manual transmission
-helical LSD
-K20C1 engine (base Civic doesn't even come with the 1.5 T)
-valved exhaust
-extra chassis bracing
-aluminum body parts
-13.8"/12" front/rear Brembos
-20" wheels with Continental Sport 6s
-functional aero kit
-race seats

And that's ignoring the cost of chassis, wind tunnel and ECU tuning. Oh, we are also ignoring ensuring your build quality is up to Honda's standards and that your build is reliable enough to match Honda's 5 year warranty. May I have some of what you're smoking?

Edit: I'd also like to see you meet emissions while we're at it.

[guybo]

Yes, I do.

[Andrew025]

Originally Posted by guybo

Yes, I do.

How much do you think that engine costs?

[extrashaky]

Current Bid: $200,000

Auction: 2017 Honda Civic Type R #01

I'll laugh when I see that car up for sale again in six or seven years for $20,000, and nobody will buy it.

[dattran86]

Civic Type R over the BRZ tS anyday for me.

[qqzj]

With $35k I won't buy either. Wait for the new Sti with 2.4L DIT.

[Gunman]

Front wheel drive four door, vs. 2 door GT car....

Four doors are for families, and old people. Give me the BRZ.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by guybo

Yes, I do.

Good luck with that...

[LOLS2K]

CTR

[guybo]

My point it is, a similarly performing car could be made from a base civic. Don't be a dope.