2017 Toyota 86 - new name, styling, and more power

[Mr.Impreza]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

My statement was made directly in reference to daily driving and I tried to make that clear.
Racing is a different matter completely and I can see how it could impact that.
The "forever" in that range for me is somewhere around one second, maybe two if I wasn't trying very hard. This has never once impacted my ability to do anything I wanted while daily driving on the streets. I personally can not imagine any street driving scenarios where people are driving around between 5 and 7K ALL the time. If I had not seen the dynos I would doubt I would ever have even known it was there.

Haha same here, I never felt or knew about it until I found out about it on the forum and than noticed it right away.

[DAEMANO]

Originally Posted by Ashikabi

On the street no, the torque dip doesn't limit you in any way. The power you have under it is still enough for DD. My 93hp del sol did just fine. But if you are hammering on it, it(torque dip) is pretty annoying

Agreed here, the dip isn't limiting. The car is quick enough. But feeling it gasp to exhale from about 3600 RPM - 4200 RPM bucks the fun momentarily. I'm really hoping all the changes eliminate/minimize this so that the stock engine's torque is more linear.

[FX86]

even after all these years i still don't know what this torque dip people talk about..maybe because this car doesn't have that much to start off with that's why i never really noticed it or felt it

i just floor and wait till the little arrow goes into the red area haha

[sheady]

Originally Posted by gtslow

Is the Nov 2017 for sport package a typo? That would be a 2018 model car. Why even announce it now?

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Subaru site says Winter 2017, could mean Jan through March winter in 2017. Technically November is still Fall.

[gtslow]

Originally Posted by sheady

Subaru site says Winter 2017, could mean Jan through March winter in 2017. Technically November is still Fall.

Good point. I always think of winter as starting in November which is technically incorrect.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by gtslow

Good point. I always think of winter as starting in November which is technically incorrect.

We are a month into winter by November I don't care what the solstices say!

[Spacemane969]

Originally Posted by Mr.Impreza

Haha same here, I never felt or knew about it until I found out about it on the forum and than noticed it right away.

I still don't understand the dip in the terms that everyone talks about. I definitely feel a lack of "pull" sometimes, but most of the time its a lot of bogging down low in the rpms, especially if you're in low (3rd)gear and making a sharp, slow turn...most of the time that I notice the most dip or "lack of power" it's in the 2-3k rpm range in the AT..

[raven1231]

Anyone else excited for the aluminum sound tube?

[funwheeldrive]

Regardless of how you feel about the current car, the new version should be even more peppy. I don't think anyone would argue that's a bad thing. I'm sure the refresh will gain a little weight, but I'd be surprised if it's substantial.

[Ashikabi]

Originally Posted by raven1231

Anyone else excited for the aluminum sound tube?

Sounds harder to remove lol

[Sigh-on-Rice]

Originally Posted by FX86

even after all these years i still don't know what this torque dip people talk about..maybe because this car doesn't have that much to start off with that's why i never really noticed it or felt it

i just floor and wait till the little arrow goes into the red area haha

Originally Posted by Spacemane969

I still don't understand the dip in the terms that everyone talks about. I definitely feel a lack of "pull" sometimes, but most of the time its a lot of bogging down low in the rpms, especially if you're in low (3rd)gear and making a sharp, slow turn...most of the time that I notice the most dip or "lack of power" it's in the 2-3k rpm range in the AT..

Here you go

[Kronos]

Anyone read this? Straight from Subarus website. Sounds like they are finally killing the torque dip.

"Direct-Injection SUBARU BOXER® Engine
The direct-and-port-injected 2.0-liter SUBARU BOXER® engine has been retuned to provide up to 205-hp. Coupled to a close-ratio 6-speed manual transmission with revised ratios, BRZ offers enhanced mid-range responsiveness to your back road adventures."


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[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Kronos

Anyone read this? Straight from Subarus website. Sounds like they are finally killing the torque dip.

If only they could kill the crickets...

[nico_rsx]

Originally Posted by Kronos

Anyone read this? Straight from Subarus website. Sounds like they are finally killing the torque dip.

"Direct-Injection SUBARU BOXER® Engine
The direct-and-port-injected 2.0-liter SUBARU BOXER® engine has been retuned to provide up to 205-hp. Coupled to a close-ratio 6-speed manual transmission with revised ratios, BRZ offers enhanced mid-range responsiveness to your back road adventures."

Not to be a buzz-kill, but it could meant that the enhanced mid-range come from the transmission revised ratio (which will improve acceleration).

On another topic, I hope the reinforcements for the strut tower and larger stabilizer bar are also added to the toyota. And would be nice if toyota also provide a performance version and that the wing is optional because it's not really nice.