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Old 08-02-2014, 05:12 PM   #29
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Glad I got a 2014, didn't want another under steering car like my old FWD CRX Si...
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We are able to charge harder into the corners in the 2015 FR-S, and if we came in a little too hot, the car would simply understeer (try to go straight) and scrub off speed. A little corrective footwork and we'd be on our way again. The retuned FR-S drives more like a traditional sports car, and felt significantly faster around the track than the 2014 model like its BRZ near-twin, which never had the FR-S' tail-happy nature.

For overall track work, the 2015 becomes a far sharper scalpel.

The 2015 FR-S preserves its tail-happy character, but now it only breaks loose when you really want it to -- not when you're, say, in second gear and trying to concentrate while winding around the tricky, sweeping esses at the back of Streets of Willow, or after climbing the hill and braking hard for the tight, bumpy right-hander. Through these turns, the throttle is easier to modulate.
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Sounds like nothing but good changes imo. Unless drifting around every corner in your subdivision was your thing.
Sounds good to me too.

Being able to charger harder into the corner is not understeer...having it push if you come into the corner too hot isn't understeer either...its the driver over driving the corner.
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Old 08-02-2014, 05:17 PM   #30
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Any lap time comparisons between 14 & 15?


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Old 08-02-2014, 05:38 PM   #31
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Just buy one of the sets of OEM BRZ suspension for sale on here. Boom, 2015 FRS.
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I owned and raced both an AP1 and AP2. The change for the 86 sounds to be along the same lines. What many of u lose sight of is driving style/preference. The '15 is not faster around the track for all people. Only faster for those that it suits the driving style more. I prefer oversteer and i race. Most of u will never use the car in a 10/10's manner so u will never really notice. Basically they dumbed the car down for lesser skilled drivers.
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Old 08-02-2014, 07:37 PM   #33
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but the ap2 pretty much only offered changes that dumbed the car down for the older crowd.
It is not the "older" crowd that is crashing the FR-S.
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I'm sure driving a 2015 is just as engaging, but I feel like the FRS's ability to get a little more tailhappy is what really set it apart from the BRZ. Now, I don't see any reason for someone to buy a FRS unless you despise the mustache on the BRZ.

I guess you want the car to feel more precise on the track, but for daily driving I feel like the FRS has the perfect amount of oversteer to put a smile on your face.
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I'm sure driving a 2015 is just as engaging, but I feel like the FRS's ability to get a little more tailhappy is what really set it apart from the BRZ. Now, I don't see any reason for someone to buy a FRS unless you despise the mustache on the BRZ.

I guess you want the car to feel more precise on the track, but for daily driving I feel like the FRS has the perfect amount of oversteer to put a smile on your face.
I do despise the brz stache. It looks like subaru forgot to paint it for god sake. On your other point; understeer does not make a car feel precise. Understeer sucks. Period. I am biased though.
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I'm sure driving a 2015 is just as engaging, but I feel like the FRS's ability to get a little more tailhappy is what really set it apart from the BRZ. Now, I don't see any reason for someone to buy a FRS unless you despise the mustache on the BRZ.

I guess you want the car to feel more precise on the track, but for daily driving I feel like the FRS has the perfect amount of oversteer to put a smile on your face.
If you know what you're doing it can be as tail happy as you want.
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Maybe insurance companies don't appreciate tail happy driving and more stable might lower insurance price.
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Holy shit you guys make it sound like there's one in every other ditch from coast to coast.

'i'm so special look at me control my wild and crazy drift machine*!'

*151 ft-lbs of torque is less than a 25 year old 4 cylinder pickup truck
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Well whatever anyone thinks the facts are that Tsada saw that the car needed some suspension change. Retuned shocks, larger bolts, etc. So what's wrong with that?
Most likely buyers remorse for some who say these changes are nothing special. If the chief engineer made the changes then he did it for the customer joy of the car. Sounds like the my '15 will be an enjoyable car for me.
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Buyers remorse for saying these changes are nothing special? Looks like people will get along with you just fine on this forum.
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