V8 Swap in California - Page 2 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

86Boyz · 11-08-2016, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Jaden

I'm sorry but I have to be a grammar nazi here. IT is a LOSER of a deal, it would only be a looser of a deal, if you could have a tighter deal...

Jaden

I despise people that use the word loose to mean loser. Shit pisses me off big time. Thank you for being the grammar nazi.

ILLSMOQ · 11-08-2016, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaden

I'm sorry but I have to be a grammar nazi here. IT is a LOSER of a deal, it would only be a looser of a deal, if you could have a tighter deal...

Jaden

On my trusty iPhone with speelcheck and otto correct I figured I was good...guess not.

If this guy gets his swap done the way he says...then I'd say it's a pretty tight deal after all and the only loose thing around here would be your lips and (_|_) ..!..

Clipdat · 11-08-2016, 04:52 PM

@BigFatFlip, go make a new friend!

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Originally Posted by BAD ROD

You know what I need to do is get a ride in a boosted BRZ/FRS and see what happens. If I could get fulfilled with boost, that I can install over the weekend, I would be up for that.

Any Sacramento/Roseville area E-Force owners listening?

turbopop · 11-09-2016, 01:44 PM

How does the ref station or BAR determine if the engine is the same model year or not? Are they checking vin #? Same with say a throttle body from a truck?

I had a MR2 that had an engine swap and it passed smog. Being mid engine it was difficult to look at the engine bay so all they did was the OBDII scan and it passed.Obviously though a v8 in the fr-s engine bay will likely cause it to fail visual inspection. Then again a lot of smog shops don't even really bother with a visible inspection anymore.

mav1178 · 11-09-2016, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by turbopop

How does the ref station or BAR determine if the engine is the same model year or not? Are they checking vin #? Same with say a throttle body from a truck?

Engine serial number, usually.

-alex

MRS-Colin · 11-10-2016, 08:26 AM

From talking with other companies that do engine conversions and LS swaps, any car after 1996 is very hard to get fully certified. I wouldn't say impossible but needing to throw lots of money at the problem.

radroach · 11-10-2016, 08:47 AM

If I recall the Motor Trend 240SX V8 swap had emissions compliance:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL4kIk8mXSk"]1993 Nissan 240SX Part 4: The 240SS Is Born! (With the Help of an LS3) - Ignition Ep. 120 - YouTube[/ame]

might help

mav1178 · 11-10-2016, 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by MRS-Colin

From talking with other companies that do engine conversions and LS swaps, any car after 1996 is very hard to get fully certified. I wouldn't say impossible but needing to throw lots of money at the problem.

OBD-II is the primary issue, because you still need to pass a smog check and you still need to show that the OBD system is in full working order.

Which is why many people think it's easy, but usually just go for cheaper, street-legal methods like CARB-EO FI kits.

-alex

strat61caster · 11-10-2016, 04:50 PM

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Originally Posted by radroach

If I recall the Motor Trend 240SX V8 swap had emissions compliance:

might help

That's the E-rod as mentioned earlier in the thread, only works on pre '96 cars that aren't OBD2 as mentioned earlier in the thread. It's not helpful for the OP other than the mention of fitting the OE emissions equipment and that it passed inspection.

I hadn't seen that video before but it's a fantastic illustration of how little you get for your money and effort on a V8 swap, to keep it short it just makes me put on my benchracing hat. I'd be surprised if that car cost them less than $20k to build, that's an $8k engine, $2k swap kit, $4k coilovers, $2k wheels, I don't want to know what the Brembos cost, and then labor and buying a 240sx that still drives straight.

That list of cars they put up? A lot of the 240ss' laptime had to do with having good tires and decent suspension/alignment, put the BFG Rivals they had on any of those cars and they'd pick up a noticeable amount of time.

Here's CSG at the same track in an 86 with 225 RS3's, Tein SRC's (admittedly $4k as well) and brakes, they're less than a second slower than the 240SS with less than half the horsepower.

If you want V8 power in a small coupe, the Corvette is nearly impossible to beat. If you want a more powerful 86, the aforementioned emissions legal super/turbo chargers are performing excellently and are installed in a weekend, it took Motor Trend over a year to finish that project.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ2EGzZrOdM"]BRZ/FR-S Tein SRC testing at Streets of Willow Springs - YouTube[/ame]

Zer0 · 11-10-2016, 09:35 PM

I went to the ref today asked a few questions some of them were answered the others will have to wait until I can contact his supervisor. Apparently they are working to amend the rules for OBD2 cars , but as of now they were not sure when it will go into affect. He did mention this is a awesome swap. I will give a update as soon as I talk to the supervisor at this particular ref station.

Clipdat · 11-11-2016, 01:55 AM

Translation: "Thank you for giving us a heads up on what you are planning to do, so we can be sure to never ever approve it."

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Originally Posted by Zer0

He did mention this is a awesome swap.

strat61caster · 11-11-2016, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Clipdat

Translation: "Thank you for giving us a heads up on what you are planning to do, so we can be sure to never ever approve it."

Meh, for once the guidelines are pretty straightforward, if it checks all the boxes there's no reason for them to deny it.

It's just that due to modern sensor and computer technology a few of those boxes are really fucking hard to check in a way that's easy for the average Joe.

Zer0 · 11-11-2016, 06:58 PM

Yep you gotta love a good challenge. It's doable and worth it to me, so it will get done.

Zer0 · 11-14-2016, 01:46 PM

The California Ref. I spoke to had said a few things that concerned me and I finally got clarification from his supervisor.

1 The ref said I had to use the fuel tank from the car I was sourcing the motor from. I have done legal swaps in the past and had to make the evap system work as it would in the car I sourced the engine from for the swap. The refs supervisor said the tank can remain the FR-S tank with the evap system in place from the vehicle I was sourcing the motor from. Big relief I thought something had changed.

2 Same transmission that was in the donor car so auto for auto or manual for manual. The supervisor said if the ecu is for a auto it needs to be auto. If the ecu is for a manual it needs to have a manual transmission.

3 I needed to know if all new parts were accepted not having a vin. The Ref didn't know. His supervisor said it's fine as log as it's got a stock program in it to run everything.

4 Stock exhaust manifolds and exhaust until after the last O2 sensor. Both confirmed no cutting welding or modifying those parts. This will require a test fit. If anyone has tried to fit them let me know. I was thinking turn them around backwards if the cats dont clear then run just the exhaust pipe through the opening between the firewall and subframe and steering shaft.

5 Can't void the factory emission warranty. I need to see how long that is. Anyone know?

11-10-2016, 08:26 AM	#20
MRS-Colin Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2016 Drives: 2001 Impreza 2.5 RS Location: Dayton, Ohio, USA Posts: 139 Thanks: 14 Thanked 293 Times in 98 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	From talking with other companies that do engine conversions and LS swaps, any car after 1996 is very hard to get fully certified. I wouldn't say impossible but needing to throw lots of money at the problem. __________________ Colin Beck

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11-09-2016, 01:44 PM	#18
turbopop Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Drives: dead br-z Location: california Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	How does the ref station or BAR determine if the engine is the same model year or not? Are they checking vin #? Same with say a throttle body from a truck? I had a MR2 that had an engine swap and it passed smog. Being mid engine it was difficult to look at the engine bay so all they did was the OBDII scan and it passed.Obviously though a v8 in the fr-s engine bay will likely cause it to fail visual inspection. Then again a lot of smog shops don't even really bother with a visible inspection anymore.

11-10-2016, 08:47 AM	#21
radroach Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2013 Drives: car Location: usa Posts: 2,162 Thanks: 1,028 Thanked 867 Times in 530 Posts Mentioned: 35 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	If I recall the Motor Trend 240SX V8 swap had emissions compliance: [ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bL4kIk8mXSk"]1993 Nissan 240SX Part 4: The 240SS Is Born! (With the Help of an LS3) - Ignition Ep. 120 - YouTube[/ame] might help

11-10-2016, 09:35 PM	#24
Zer0 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Drives: 2015 frs Location: Ca Posts: 511 Thanks: 426 Thanked 196 Times in 148 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I went to the ref today asked a few questions some of them were answered the others will have to wait until I can contact his supervisor. Apparently they are working to amend the rules for OBD2 cars , but as of now they were not sure when it will go into affect. He did mention this is a awesome swap. I will give a update as soon as I talk to the supervisor at this particular ref station.

11-11-2016, 06:58 PM	#27
Zer0 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Drives: 2015 frs Location: Ca Posts: 511 Thanks: 426 Thanked 196 Times in 148 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Yep you gotta love a good challenge. It's doable and worth it to me, so it will get done.

11-14-2016, 01:46 PM	#28
Zer0 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2015 Drives: 2015 frs Location: Ca Posts: 511 Thanks: 426 Thanked 196 Times in 148 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The California Ref. I spoke to had said a few things that concerned me and I finally got clarification from his supervisor. 1 The ref said I had to use the fuel tank from the car I was sourcing the motor from. I have done legal swaps in the past and had to make the evap system work as it would in the car I sourced the engine from for the swap. The refs supervisor said the tank can remain the FR-S tank with the evap system in place from the vehicle I was sourcing the motor from. Big relief I thought something had changed. 2 Same transmission that was in the donor car so auto for auto or manual for manual. The supervisor said if the ecu is for a auto it needs to be auto. If the ecu is for a manual it needs to have a manual transmission. 3 I needed to know if all new parts were accepted not having a vin. The Ref didn't know. His supervisor said it's fine as log as it's got a stock program in it to run everything. 4 Stock exhaust manifolds and exhaust until after the last O2 sensor. Both confirmed no cutting welding or modifying those parts. This will require a test fit. If anyone has tried to fit them let me know. I was thinking turn them around backwards if the cats dont clear then run just the exhaust pipe through the opening between the firewall and subframe and steering shaft. 5 Can't void the factory emission warranty. I need to see how long that is. Anyone know?

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