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Old 02-02-2017, 12:01 PM   #491
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Nor does it really carry the legacy that the original had. It's not a successor to me. It's more like a whole different car with a slapped NSX badge for marketing which doesn't seem to be helping anyways.

Toyota did it right with the new 86. They continued the legacy that the AE86 had. Small engine, low price, NA, Rwd & down to the basics.

The new NSX is everything that the old one wasn't.
I find it to be the absolute opposite. The more I see videos of the car, see the car in person and read/hear about it from journalists the more the car solidifies its position objectively - it's a legacy continuation and I think that's particularly difficult to do with a lengthy break and it pulls it off. It's a phenomenal chassis that's sussing out the power unit and still getting things to 'match' but given the break, given the new paradigm of sports cars - I think it's a stellar first break out the gate. Say what you want about why it doesn't fulfill your driving expectations, I can only imagine how disappointing (or not?) dead steering would feel like tossing it around a track - or maybe it's blistering quick to where I don't notice it at all. Given the context of sports cars today, that doesn't seem to be out of the norm, either.

The 1990 Honda NSX exceeded the Ferrari 348 at a reasonable price point by bringing forward thinking technologies to an attainable price point. Today that bar has different requirements but Honda is hitting it in my opinion, new tech challenging top tier manufacture at the sports car game for a, and don't laugh, reasonable price.

The video admits it's an unfair comparison to pit the Type R versus a standard NSX (without sticky tires, too) but wants that pure distillation to be evident ten years on. I don't buy that and I don't think that should be a demerit against the standard NSX. You'd have to wait for a new NSX-R to make that judgement call valid. And here's an exert from the latest C/D review on the car regarding tires:

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"With $1960 worth of Pirelli P Zero Trofeo R tires gluing the wheels to the pavement, our test car faithfully transmitted every minute steering input to the road regardless of the mode. Even as the steering weight ramps up with the more aggressive settings, the NSX turns in with zeal and precision. Most impressive, the NSX never belies its weight, no matter how fast the speed or how sharp the corner. Turns feel effortless, and as long as the pavement is smooth, the body remains flat."
The Porsche Carrera vs Turbo vs GT3 is a similar comparison. The new base stripped PDK no bones about it Carrera is quicker in many regards than the 10 year old GT3/Turbo models. That's a win, sure, but is it fair? You have to remember there's still a new GT3 and new Turbo model to make that comparison with and they are infinitely better. It'd be more interesting to compare a 2017 NSX to a 1990 NSX.

For reference because I've been looking into them:

A 2007 Porsche 911 GT3 does 0-60 in 4.0, 0-100 in 8.7, 1/4 mile in 12.0 @ 118 mph with 415hp/300ft lbs.

A 2007 911 Turbo does 0-60 in 3.4, 5-60 in 4.6, 0-100 in 7.8, 1/4 mile in 11.7 @ 121 mph with 480hp/502ft lbs.

A 2017 911 Carrera (base pdk) does 0-60 in 3.4, 5-60 in 4.3, 0-100 in 8.5, 1/4 mile in 11.9 @ 118 mph with 370hp/331ft lbs

And doing it at a conservative 13.0 psi. I think Porsche is sandbagging the numbers here. This is going to be a great pickup in 2-3 years when the leases come back to CPO for $55k!
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Toyota did it right with the new 86. They continued the legacy that the AE86 had. Small engine, low price, NA, Rwd & down to the basics.

The new NSX is everything that the old one wasn't.
Uh, I don't really agree with that. The old one and the new one competed with similar tiered cars. The old one was not affordable by any means, and to this day a nice example is still very expensive. It used exotic materials everywhere and new technology, just like the new one.

Back then electronic gadgets were missing, but the "high tech" was the aluminum chassis, aluminum suspension, VTEC, titanium engine parts, etc. The missing electronic gadgets were probably due to the fact that back then computing power was more expensive and less people understood it, but if they had 2005 tech you could almost certainly bet they would have included some kind of torque vectoring system.
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The new NSX is everything that the old one wasn't.
I think it might have to do with the fact some of the folks involved with the AE86 are still around at Toyota which made the new 86 happen based on what they knew and remembered. Besides, there was a lack of direct competition with similar form factor and design goals at launch.

The new NSX is headed, designed, and engineered by people that weren't part of the original NSX project (original chief engineer retired, project leader started at Honda just after the original NSX came about, designer fresh out of design school). The end product is quite evident of this. Also, plenty of competition with similar attributes in the market right now.
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I live in Santa Rosa, CA. If anyone doesn't know where it is, it is an hour north of San Francisco off Hwy 101, and it is a small city/town in Sonoma County, which, like its neighbor, Napa County, is wine country. With wine comes money, so I guess it makes sense that there are some high end cars that I occasionally see on the roads like Ferrari's, Porsche Turbos, R8s and I8s, but we don't have any high end dealerships here. Going south to Marin County you will find Ferrari, Porsche and Maserati, but nothing in this area. Maybe the vineyards will change things, but this county was recently just full of dairy farms, apple orchards and other farms.

To the point, I was driving past the Acura dealership and saw an NSX out front, so I stopped by, and they have two. Seems like the car would be too rare to be here, but I guess those vineyards are really drawing in some rich guys.

They looked amazing in person. I'm still a bigger fan of the previous gen NSX, but these new cars are still amazing cars, and I am happy Honda put the time and resources into producing these cars because they really didn't need to at all.

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I find it to be the absolute opposite. The more I see videos of the car, see the car in person and read/hear about it from journalists the more the car solidifies its position objectively - it's a legacy continuation and I think that's particularly difficult to do with a lengthy break and it pulls it off. It's a phenomenal chassis that's sussing out the power unit and still getting things to 'match' but given the break, given the new paradigm of sports cars - I think it's a stellar first break out the gate. Say what you want about why it doesn't fulfill your driving expectations, I can only imagine how disappointing (or not?) dead steering would feel like tossing it around a track - or maybe it's blistering quick to where I don't notice it at all. Given the context of sports cars today, that doesn't seem to be out of the norm, either.

The 1990 Honda NSX exceeded the Ferrari 348 at a reasonable price point by bringing forward thinking technologies to an attainable price point. Today that bar has different requirements but Honda is hitting it in my opinion, new tech challenging top tier manufacture at the sports car game for a, and don't laugh, reasonable price.

The video admits it's an unfair comparison to pit the Type R versus a standard NSX (without sticky tires, too) but wants that pure distillation to be evident ten years on. I don't buy that and I don't think that should be a demerit against the standard NSX. You'd have to wait for a new NSX-R to make that judgement call valid. And here's an exert from the latest C/D review on the car regarding tires:



The Porsche Carrera vs Turbo vs GT3 is a similar comparison. The new base stripped PDK no bones about it Carrera is quicker in many regards than the 10 year old GT3/Turbo models. That's a win, sure, but is it fair? You have to remember there's still a new GT3 and new Turbo model to make that comparison with and they are infinitely better. It'd be more interesting to compare a 2017 NSX to a 1990 NSX.

For reference because I've been looking into them:

A 2007 Porsche 911 GT3 does 0-60 in 4.0, 0-100 in 8.7, 1/4 mile in 12.0 @ 118 mph with 415hp/300ft lbs.

A 2007 911 Turbo does 0-60 in 3.4, 5-60 in 4.6, 0-100 in 7.8, 1/4 mile in 11.7 @ 121 mph with 480hp/502ft lbs.

A 2017 911 Carrera (base pdk) does 0-60 in 3.4, 5-60 in 4.3, 0-100 in 8.5, 1/4 mile in 11.9 @ 118 mph with 370hp/331ft lbs

And doing it at a conservative 13.0 psi. I think Porsche is sandbagging the numbers here. This is going to be a great pickup in 2-3 years when the leases come back to CPO for $55k!
I don't really understand why you're comparing a new PDK equipped 911 with launch control against a GT3 that has neither. Yes, there's great progress being made but apples to apples would be comparing manual transmissions with the only launch control being how well the driver can get the car underway.

A new Boxster S can hit 60 in mid-3s, But that doesn't change that I'd instead take a 997 GT3 every time over it, or a new 911. Ditto a 993.
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I don't really understand why you're comparing a new PDK equipped 911 with launch control against a GT3 that has neither. Yes, there's great progress being made but apples to apples would be comparing manual transmissions with the only launch control being how well the driver can get the car underway.

A new Boxster S can hit 60 in mid-3s, But that doesn't change that I'd instead take a 997 GT3 every time over it, or a new 911. Ditto a 993.
But you do it all the time with BRZ vs Porsche. Apples to apples.
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HOLY CRAP. Is that a flux capacitor?


Haha, yea closer to a flux capacitor than an engine. Can't really understand what they were going for there but still cool.
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But you do it all the time with BRZ vs Porsche. Apples to apples.
Lol, please explain.
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Lol, please explain.
LOL. "The BRZ/FRS/86 is OK but my Porsche will..."
Not a real quote of course but a fair summary of many of your posts. No more apples to apples than what you were commenting on.
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But you do it all the time with BRZ vs Porsche. Apples to apples.
Its apples to oranges because pdk to MT comparisons distort performance differences such as

997 Carrera s pdk 3.8s 0-60
997 gt3 3.7s 0-60
Are the 2 cars really almost identical? No...though from the times it looks so.
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^^not sure why you're really singling me out there on that. I bring up stuff for perspective. And more recently brought up something in response to a misunderstanding.

Seems kind of silly.
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