What's Changed? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

brzzy · 01-25-2016, 06:20 PM

About 2 months ago I picked up my 2013 Silver Metallic BRZ with about 33,000kms on it. Previous owner babied it, never took It out in the winters. And aside from some minor scoffs on the interior, the thing was clean. Never midfield or dissembled. Totally taken care of.

The other day I was thinking about when I first started looking at the FRS/BRZ platform and test driving these cars. I REALLY fell in love with the car when I drove a brand new 2015 FRS (they only had an AT for me to test drive). The car felt tight, the steering wheel fit in my hands perfectly, the steering feel was incredible and the whole car felt right. I knew I wasn't going to get into a brand new vehicle, it just wasn't in the budget. But a used one I could work with and live with.

When I drove my 2013 BRZ for the first time it also felt great. But something was missing. Now that I think about it, the car felt a little more relaxed and "worn in" sort of speak. The steering and feel of the car siding feel as refined as the FRS I drove. I still enjoyed it and obviously I bought it. But my question is, what changed from the 2013 models to the 2015 models. Was the difference that significant because of variances between the BRZ/FRS. Or was I just driving a much older car that quite literally had just been "worn in" already.

I really really really enjoyed that 2015 I drove. And every once in a while I ponder what changed between the models or what was the difference in why I felt this.

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Lorico · 01-25-2016, 06:25 PM

anything new will feel new. Its all in your head. The firm seats, perfect paint and that new car smell

You need to learn to be happy dont let the newer years get to you. Its marketing, and its really working on you!

brzzy · 01-25-2016, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Lorico

anything new will feel new. Its all in your head. The firm seats, perfect paint and that new car smell

You need to learn to be happy dont let the newer years get to you. Its marketing, and its really working on you!

I'm hoping this is the case

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ninedice · 01-25-2016, 06:29 PM

I thought there was minor suspension changes between those years.

Teseo · 01-25-2016, 06:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ninedice

I thought there was minor suspension changes between those years.

Yes more softness, no thanks

8R6 · 01-25-2016, 06:34 PM

maybe it felt more worn in because it was worn in?

Turbo95eg6 · 01-25-2016, 06:39 PM

Wouldn't be surprised if the previous owner beat the shit out it, these cars aren't meant to be babied.

swarb · 01-25-2016, 06:43 PM

jawn · 01-25-2016, 06:48 PM

New suspension bolts, new dampers.

mav1178 · 01-25-2016, 06:50 PM

FR-S vs BRZ is the main difference.

The BRZ is more... neutral. Overall setup is more mild on the car.

The FR-S is more prone to oversteer at the limits. Not by much but it's enough for average drivers to notice.

This is found in the suspension that are used between the two cars.

-alex

Mim · 01-25-2016, 07:04 PM

The twins are like a large Lego set so you can easily retro fit later year model parts to earlier cars, but I would do some research and see whether it might end up being wiser to update to more advanced after market components.

What I mean is look at what owners are going to from even new cars like MY15's for things like suspension. You might initially think oh it might be nice to just change to MY15 dampers (buying a used set), but then how much better would the car feel if I got some Tein, Brilstein or Olhins?

As with every mod. Think about where you want to end up, what's your budget and then research options in your price range.

Tcoat · 01-25-2016, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by ninedice

I thought there was minor suspension changes between those years.

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73739

brzzy · 01-25-2016, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mim

The twins are like a large Lego set so you can easily retro fit later year model parts to earlier cars, but I would do some research and see whether it might end up being wiser to update to more advanced after market components.

What I mean is look at what owners are going to from even new cars like MY15's for things like suspension. You might initially think oh it might be nice to just change to MY15 dampers (buying a used set), but then how much better would the car feel if I got some Tein, Brilstein or Olhins?

As with every mod. Think about where you want to end up, what's your budget and then research options in your price range.

Mods are definetly in the cards and I've already started to work towards my goals and get it closer to a setup that I want. I was/am just more curious as to what's different or what's been updated because I do really enjoy the feel of that 2015 model I drove and I would've loved to have had that as a baseline/starting point.

I already knew some suspension components were different but I didn't think it would make THAT much of a difference.

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brzzy · 01-25-2016, 07:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73739

Very informative link. Thanks!

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01-25-2016, 06:20 PM	#1
brzzy @anthonysestito Join Date: Oct 2015 Drives: 2013 Sterling Silver Metallic BRZ Location: Vaughan Posts: 391 Thanks: 117 Thanked 111 Times in 86 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	What's Changed? About 2 months ago I picked up my 2013 Silver Metallic BRZ with about 33,000kms on it. Previous owner babied it, never took It out in the winters. And aside from some minor scoffs on the interior, the thing was clean. Never midfield or dissembled. Totally taken care of. The other day I was thinking about when I first started looking at the FRS/BRZ platform and test driving these cars. I REALLY fell in love with the car when I drove a brand new 2015 FRS (they only had an AT for me to test drive). The car felt tight, the steering wheel fit in my hands perfectly, the steering feel was incredible and the whole car felt right. I knew I wasn't going to get into a brand new vehicle, it just wasn't in the budget. But a used one I could work with and live with. When I drove my 2013 BRZ for the first time it also felt great. But something was missing. Now that I think about it, the car felt a little more relaxed and "worn in" sort of speak. The steering and feel of the car siding feel as refined as the FRS I drove. I still enjoyed it and obviously I bought it. But my question is, what changed from the 2013 models to the 2015 models. Was the difference that significant because of variances between the BRZ/FRS. Or was I just driving a much older car that quite literally had just been "worn in" already. I really really really enjoyed that 2015 I drove. And every once in a while I ponder what changed between the models or what was the difference in why I felt this. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ 2013 BRZ LIMITED STERLING SILVER METALLIC IG: @ANTHONYSESTITO Last edited by brzzy; 01-26-2016 at 12:15 AM.

01-25-2016, 06:34 PM	#6
8R6 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Drives: FRS Location: SoCal Posts: 2,086 Thanks: 2,738 Thanked 1,338 Times in 746 Posts Mentioned: 30 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	maybe it felt more worn in because it was worn in? __________________ Team BRG inspire-usa My car build #8R6

01-25-2016, 06:39 PM	#7
Turbo95eg6 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2013 Drives: 2014 BRZ SWP LTD Location: The 503 Posts: 2,174 Thanks: 331 Thanked 2,266 Times in 858 Posts Mentioned: 18 Post(s) Tagged: 3 Thread(s)	Wouldn't be surprised if the previous owner beat the shit out it, these cars aren't meant to be babied. __________________ Instagram: stimson

01-25-2016, 07:04 PM	#11
Mim Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Drives: MY11 Maxima 350st, MY15 BRZ Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 534 Thanks: 304 Thanked 342 Times in 185 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	The twins are like a large Lego set so you can easily retro fit later year model parts to earlier cars, but I would do some research and see whether it might end up being wiser to update to more advanced after market components. What I mean is look at what owners are going to from even new cars like MY15's for things like suspension. You might initially think oh it might be nice to just change to MY15 dampers (buying a used set), but then how much better would the car feel if I got some Tein, Brilstein or Olhins? As with every mod. Think about where you want to end up, what's your budget and then research options in your price range. __________________ MY15 CWP A/T BRZ \| Leather heated seats \| STI CAI filter, A/T leather shifter, strut brace, V-brace, draw stiffener, battery tie down, Radiator cap, Oil cap, push start button \| TRD door stabilizer \| YoSpeed STI console garnish \| Pioneer AVIC-F70DAB + Rev-camera, TS-WX710A sub \| JL speakers, Amp \| TOMS' Clear Brake Lights \| Cusco 4.556 FD \| Driveshaft Shop aluminum shaft \| Tein FlexZ, EDFC AP+GPS \| Crawford BPB

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