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Old 04-02-2015, 12:52 PM   #323
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To be honest, I haven't read through the 15 pages of this thread... Sorry if this is a repost...

But I did find this...

http://www.subaru.ca/WebPage.aspx?We...rmance_Concept

One huge excerpt that I found interesting was this:


Direct from Subaru's mouth: No Turbo BRZ... And the car is simply a concept. Nothing more. It will never see production.
yup. my thoughts exactly. just enough to piss me off. meanwhile, we have companies like ford putting turbos on everything.... smh
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Yes, but of the 100,000 or so Twins sold, what percentage is that? I'm guessing way less than 5% (5,000 cars). Even if it is 10,000, that is not a market, that's a niche for this car and best handled by the aftermarket. The problem is that people that are going to mod cars will mod them regardless of the base they start with, and that is the market that has $40,000 in a $25,000 car.

It is not your typical buyer, which is what a manufacturer cares about with the exception of an occasional halo car that they sell at either high prices (Corvette/Porsche/etc) or high volumes (Mustang/Camaro/Etc).

The 86 is neither. I say that because Toyota/Subaru are building and selling exactly the number they plan on selling. If it was underperforming expectations you would see more dollars poured into marketing. If it was overperforming, there would be a waiting list and you wouldn't see them on showroom floors.

My personal opinion, and really that is all it is, is that yes, if the car had more horsepower they would have sold more of them but only if it performed similarly to a same priced Mustang or Camaro. That puts you still in the $25,000 to $35,000 range at best in the open market.
I tend to agree. That said what I would love to see Subaru (via STI) and Toyota (va TRD) do is to offer forced induction, tunes, etc via their dealerships. Ford has really stepped up with their racing division. I would love to see the option for folks to go FI, have it installed by an authorized dealer, and retain your warranty.
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Old 04-02-2015, 01:02 PM   #325
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I tend to agree. That said what I would love to see Subaru (via STI) and Toyota (va TRD) do is to offer forced induction, tunes, etc via their dealerships. Ford has really stepped up with their racing division. I would love to see the option for folks to go FI, have it installed by an authorized dealer, and retain your warranty.
Agreed, although too late for me as I'll pass through the drivetrain warranty on my commute home on Friday.

I think in general the manufacturers really miss the boat when it comes to "factory authorized speed shop" type stuff. If I ever create a car brand, that is exactly what service I would add first.
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Old 04-02-2015, 01:15 PM   #326
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I think we need more concepts because we just have not seen enough over 4 years.
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What I don't understand is that every single review ever has always said "Wonderful handling, needs a little more power." All over the various forums says "wonderful handling, needs at least a little more power, but we'd like a turbo."


Why do they keep coming out with concepts that have no additional power, beyond the one concept with a GT300 racing engine? Subaru has built their reputation on turbocharged flat four engines since the first model WRX back in 1990-something. And they have a history of limited run, higher performance vehicles, with all the type-Rs, type-RAs, S201-4, R205, 330S, 380S, etc... What is so difficult about making a BRZ type Something with a turbo in it?
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Old 04-02-2015, 02:02 PM   #328
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Hey Subaru, we want the Legacy with a manual transmission!
Subaru - All Legacy models only come in CVT.

Hey Subaru, what about a Legacy GT?
Subaru - Nope...we'll make more 3.6R's.

Hey...can we have the WRX and STI as a wagon/hatch which you're pretty much known for making?
Subaru - Nope..sedans only.

Can we get a STI version for arguably you're sportiest vehicle in your lineup?
Subaru - No but we will continue making concepts of another concept with new aerokits and fender garnishes.
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Yep. It's disappointing. And I know if they made a 5000 car run of a legitimate turbo BRZ with upgraded suspension and brakes and all the bells and whistles, they'd be sold before they hit the showrooms. And the worst part is that they already have all the parts from their various other cars, so they wouldn't even be reinventing the wheel.
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You pay for shipping regardless of who imports it.

I am prepared to be underwhelmed when the official press is released. It looks like they will be offering brakes, wheels, seats, suspension, lip spoiler and some side skirts. I'd bet everything else you see is 'concept'.

Why would Subaru offer aftermarket replacement bumpers and fenders? There is no way they could compete economically with the after-market.

If Subaru were serious about developing this car for performance parts we'd have seen an equivalent to the TRD Griffon already.

I hope I'm wrong.
Keep in mind TRD made a widebody kit for the Supra back in the day, so it's not so far fetched to think that STI could as well.

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Not entirely ture. the tS axels are not for sale, the Recaro's are not for sale. (you can get Recaros that look like the tS recaros though).
The Recaro seats are available in Japan. They're impossible to ship here because of the airbag (explosive), just like the tS's steering wheel airbag.

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Yep. It's disappointing. And I know if they made a 5000 car run of a legitimate turbo BRZ with upgraded suspension and brakes and all the bells and whistles, they'd be sold before they hit the showrooms. And the worst part is that they already have all the parts from their various other cars, so they wouldn't even be reinventing the wheel.
Won't happen. Much like when GM came down on Pontiac and stopped them from producing a car that would have been faster than the Corvette. They won't allow a car that's faster than the WRX STi.
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I don't think they care much about it being faster than the STI but I don't see them being able to sell 5K $35K+ BRZs.
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And they have a history of limited run, higher performance vehicles, with all the type-Rs, type-RAs, S201-4, R205, 330S, 380S, etc... What is so difficult about making a BRZ type Something with a turbo in it?

It's simple, in every press conference about new models they show a power point. The BRZ represents <1% of all subaru sales.

There is ZERO financial incentive to do anything else with this current model.

Also I talked to GM and Toyota rep. I told him I want to get access to the Volt and Z06. He said honestly I don't care about press with those cars because the truth is they don't pay the bills.
Cars that move over 100k units are what is important. And that what this all boils down to with mass market car companies.
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Made it into the press all the way down here
http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/show...rbocharged-BRZ

Article says the car is turbo but is not for production. Quotes some random Subaru people so must be true.
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Cars that move over 100k units are what is important. And that what this all boils down to with mass market car companies.
This.

I guess we should be glad that the Twins even exist today.

YAY for more 30k cookie cutter appliances to the mass market.
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What I don't understand is that every single review ever has always said "Wonderful handling, needs a little more power." All over the various forums says "wonderful handling, needs at least a little more power, but we'd like a turbo."


Why do they keep coming out with concepts that have no additional power, beyond the one concept with a GT300 racing engine? Subaru has built their reputation on turbocharged flat four engines since the first model WRX back in 1990-something. And they have a history of limited run, higher performance vehicles, with all the type-Rs, type-RAs, S201-4, R205, 330S, 380S, etc... What is so difficult about making a BRZ type Something with a turbo in it?
Because they can't. I wish people would stop posting this.

Their cars are all awd, so their transmissions are all basically fwd with a rwd extension, not like a real rwd. Neither Subaru or Toyota have a rwd transmission that take that kind of torque. They would have to go with the next level up aisin which is more expensive and weighs 60 more lbs. Then they have to get beefier everything in the drivetrain, including those worthless axles ( again, because fwd based awd those rear axles only see half the torque at max for their other cars). At the end of the day you are going to end up with like a >30K >3100 lb car like the similar dimension 370z that has to compete in a pretty competitive market segment against the dominant mustang and camaro.

This concept car has absolutely no chance of being anything. If so, they wouldn't have put in a gt300 freaking RACE CAR engine in that's probably rated for like 100 hours or something at 450hp
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