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If you buy a Porsche Cayman, you buy what some German engineers and marketing people decided you needed in a sports car. If you buy a BRZ or an FR-S, you buy a base car with a baseline set of capabilities that is a fun drive right off the lot. Then you add to it (or not) to make it exactly like you want it. The reality of this model is that, if you really want to, you get a big say in designing your own car. Or you can be happy with what Toyobaru gave you. Either way, the difference is that you have a choice, and what you end up with is really yours. |
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Only I don't really feel they let their designers and engineers off the leash. There are so many compromises here, it's hard to take the platform all that seriously. Mazda takes the MX5 seriously as a sports car. (Support, Racing, Parts supply) Toyota just uses the car for marketing stunts mostly and the fact its mostly controlled by Subaru which had almost zero interest in RWD makes it worse. For Subaru it accounts for less that 1% of their sales, just more damning for those hoping for more models. This generation 86 is purely for aftermarket as it stands. Quote:
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It's not low volume enough to put it into some rare catagory. The only thing unique about it is the chassis. But in terms of build quality and components used here it compares more to the Imprezza and Corolla if anything. Used market is flooded right now, and prices are low. Maybe in 10 years there will be demand for old analog"ish" cars but who knows.
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In truth I maintain it is really one of the better cars I have owned at any price point. The C5 or C6 Z06 is on a list of future owns and C7. Not even going to think about that right now. Quote:
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When we get into mass produced sporty production cars from big brands, the engineers working on a car usually as in the case of the 86 were working on economy cars previously. I think this car was a low risk proving ground for Toyota. Tada San for example, was given free range to do whatever and he came up with something fun and basic and here we are. But Tada San is no Andreas Preuninger, and that's why someone would buy a 911 etc for that level of engineering.
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Still whining. Carry on.
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Btw... that story you told in the OP is a lot like when you see an absolutely stunning girl. You might think, "wow, she is flawless. no man could resist that." But you know there's some dude somewhere who is completely fed up with her bullshit. You know what? That gets me thinking... maybe you two just need to spend some time apart. Leave her at my place for a little while! I'll wine her, dine her... maybe re-route some of that plumbing you've been having trouble with When you get her back, she'll feel like a new car!
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Take the car and my woman straighten them both out. Oh and take her dog too, bastard starts barking two miles away cause it hears my ricer exhaust coming.
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Sure, if that's what you want. But if that was what you wanted, you wouldn't have bought an FR-S and modded the hell out of it.
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Bitching about some one bitching?
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This escalated quickly.
OP, I thought I had posted in my first post in this thread that it was good someone did a write up on real world problems with going FI with this car. I guess I edited that part out accidentally. It will help someone that was on the fence about going FI make a better informed decision. It won't help me, because I lack the cash flow to even think about the mods you did to your car. In essence, I live vicariously through all of you that get to do the things I'd like to do to my car. Carry on. Last edited by AirborneDeth; 04-13-2014 at 03:44 AM. |
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dear god, this forum is filed with fanboys...
@Dezoris I get your point entirely. This car is my first new car, but I have owned 4 3 dries bmw's, a mustang gt, and a 3rd gen camaro before this. The bimmers started my love for modding cars, but I had a few that got boring after I did almost all I could with them. I ended up building an e36 as far as I could go without a major rebuild and turbo and I eventually got bored working on it more then driving it, SO I completely understand where you are coming form. This thread reminded me of that and I think Iv got my head strait again for the time being, lol |
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Point 1: Did you try tracking the car with the stock brakes with good track pads and DOT4 fluid? That would have saved a ton of time/effort/$$$ right there. $400 *street* pads? For why? I run low-noise/low-dust inexpensive street pads on the street on my street/track car. Centric Posi-Quiet, $65 all around, no problemo. I even did an unplanned track event with them and they were actually fine (I did lift VERY early on the longest straight to preserve them). Also, I wouldn't throw away "grooved" pads, especially if they were expensive. I also use rotors to the bitter end (min thickness) and never have them turned. Grooves and all. I haven't experienced warped rotors in forever (not since I stupidly had my old 535i's rotors turned a couple of decades ago). Do you *really* swap out the rotors and calipers between seasons? Waste of time/money/effort again. Q: the "cheap Hawk pads" you used, were they HPS? If so, they're likely worse than OEM. Centric street pads are mucho better-o. 2. Tires. Of course tires get used up. I usually *enjoy* the opportunity to buy and try new tires. Getting NT01s for the RX-7 this year after suffering at the track with street tires... 3/4. Revised kit for more power? New spare tensioner because they are known to fail? Of course aftermarket mods are not as well developed for reliability vs. OEM, so some issues are to be expected. Would hope this would become a non-issue at some point... 5. I always ship tires to where I'm going to have them installed. And they keep my winter wheels/tires in the summer and my summer wheels/tires in the winter. Same with parts I know I'm not going to install myself, I have them shipped to the shop. You might see if you can do this with your shop, saves a lot of hassle. 6. Swapping brake systems between winter/summer is, again, IMO, a waste of time/money/effort. I drive on the big brakes all year on my FD, even New England winters (do try to avoid the salt though!). 7. I bleed brakes before ever other track event (of course including the first event of the season). No big deal, especially as the wheels/tires are being swapped for the track event anyway. 8. This also seems a ridiculous waste of time/money/effort. I wouldn't worry about 0W20 synthetic oil not getting "up to temperature" in the winter months. Do you have a thermostat for the oil coiler? Good on you for inspecting, but all this additional labor removing/re-installing the oil cooler and lines is not buying you anything IMO. 9. Periodic inspection is of course a good idea... TL/DR: You're doing a LOT more work and spending a LOT more money than necessary to run a modded street/track car. |
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