More confirmation from Toyota on next gen 86

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

You are not going to see anything with an 8K rev limit nor huge HP. It just isn't going to happen. If you take anything out of that load of bunk it should be that not much will change at all. They will not push it into Supra performance territory.

What makes you think they can't reach 8K?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ermax

What makes you think they can't reach 8K?

Didn't say they can't. Said they won't. They are NOT going to bring the 86 into the Supra performance envelope.

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Jyn

Well of course not. FA24s don't do that.

A turbo FA24 doesn't. But an NA very easily could if they were interested. There have been plenty of engines that turn 8K with much worse geometry. The FA24 has the same stroke as the FA20. They gained all displacement in the bore. It just needs the valve train and heads to make it happen.

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

I'm willing to bet Subaru has at least one BRZ running around with an NA FA24 in it. It seems like the easiest path forward. Increase the displacement, grab some (again, SOME, Not 100hp) power up top, and leave the torque dip be. If we need the torque dip to have the NA motor pass emissions then so be it. The only other thing the dip ever did was get some keyboards lukewarm, it never cost them any meaningful sales.

Shit if it were Honda, they'd call the torque dip Vtec signature behavior and all the whiney boys would STFU and learn how to drive in the powerband.

The difference in the Honda VTEC signature is it doesn't dip. It builds slow as shit and then skyrockets. It's the drop before it comes back up that makes it so noticeable (at least noticeable to people that have driven something other than an economy car in the past).

[ermax]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Didn't say they can't. Said they won't. They are NOT going to bring the 86 into the Supra performance envelope.

8K isn't going to give an NA FA24 Supra levels of power though. I agree it will not make big power. Maybe 235.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Docdoc

I have only seen the turbo charged version, but they may throw that into a updated GT86 platform with updated styling.

Docdoc

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

I'm willing to bet Subaru has at least one BRZ running around with an NA FA24 in it. It seems like the easiest path forward. Increase the displacement, grab some (again, SOME, Not 100hp) power up top, and leave the torque dip be. If we need the torque dip to have the NA motor pass emissions then so be it. The only other thing the dip ever did was get some keyboards lukewarm, it never cost them any meaningful sales.

Shit if it were Honda, they'd call the torque dip Vtec signature behavior and all the whiney boys would STFU and learn how to drive in the powerband.

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

The answer:

We are committed to the continued development and improvements of the FA24 DIT found in the 2019 Subaru Ascent.

LOL You guys all want that turboed FA24. I will bet you all a beer that the86/BRZ will never see it. Doesn't matter how much the internet complains they are never going to use a turbo in these cars. We will know in a year or two.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ermax

8K isn't going to give an NA FA24 Supra levels of power though. I agree it will not make big power. Maybe 235.

Agreed. Although I doubt that we would see an 8K NA 24. My guess is they would red line it about where the FA20 sits.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

LOL You guys all want that turboed FA24. I will bet you all a beer that the86/BRZ will never see it. Doesn't matter how much the internet complains they are never going to use a turbo in these cars. We will know in a year or two.

I never said anything about a turbo FA24.

If I was a betting person, I'd bet on an NA FA24 with a 7200-7500rpm redline, 247-253hp and 187-193lb-ft torque. Wrap that in a car that loses ~50kg and it'll feel like a next gen 86 without eclipsing the Supra.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

I never said anything about a turbo FA24.

If I was a betting person, I'd bet on an NA FA24 with a 7200-7500rpm redline, 247-253hp and 187-193lb-ft torque. Wrap that in a car that loses ~50kg and it'll feel like a next gen 86 without eclipsing the Supra.

With you but 10% lower on the HP and torque. Oh and it will gain about 50KGs.

[mrg666]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

With you but 10% lower on the HP and torque. Oh and it will gain about 50KGs.

So there is still no hope for beating that minivan

[Docdoc]

We should start a thread where people guess the next gen GT-86 specs. The member that is closest wins "something". I.E a nice gift card to GT86 Speed Factory

Docdoc

[mrg666]

Originally Posted by Docdoc

We should start a thread where people guess the next gen GT-86 specs. The member that is closest wins "something". I.E a nice gift car to GT86 Speed Factory

Docdoc

A Mustang!

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by mrg666

A Mustang!

Miata

[FR-Sky]

I probably buy the Second Gen's second years, cus the first year is always with problem.

[Boomerang]

Originally Posted by Docdoc

We should start a thread where people guess the next gen GT-86 specs. The member that is closest wins "something". I.E a nice gift card to GT86 Speed Factory

Docdoc

Valve springs