openflash tablet vs ecutek tune

[cameronjones239]

Originally Posted by yomny

Ecutek>OFT and there's a reason why one cost more than the other. The same thing goes for suspension, turbo kits..... and pretty much anything in life. with ecutek you could chose from over 100's of master tuners and with OFT just its developer.. unless you're good with tuning and do it yourself.

For a person like me, I don't have a tuner in the state of Missouri that will touch my car. So those 100 master tuners are kind of pointless (for me). I could etune with them, but no point in spending the extra buck in doing that until I have all the bolt-ons I want on the car finished. With OFT in the meantime of upgrading the car, I can try out the stage 1 91 and 93 maps while stock, try out the e85 this spring, get my headers on and try out the stage 2 91/93/e85 maps and then get my etune at the end to fine tune it all. I could even skip the etune, go turbo with the SBD kit and still never once pay for a tune.

Would a dyno yield better results than an etune? Sure, but to drive out of state, pay the dyno fee, and pay the tuner it'll rack up quick vs a small gain over the etune I'd get with shiv. Isn't ecutek etunes usually $50-$100+ per upgraded tune? I don't think they're free but someone correct me if I'm wrong..

Ecutek is nice and I think it's a great product, but for the bang for the buck I feel it's kind of hard not to go with OFT. Each persons scenario is different which will push them towards one or the other.

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by yomny

Ecutek>OFT and there's a reason why one cost more than the other. The same thing goes for suspension, turbo kits..... and pretty much anything in life. with ecutek you could chose from over 100's of master tuners and with OFT just its developer.. unless you're good with tuning and do it yourself.

Because they both use the stock ECU and tables, it's pretty pointless to say that those same "master tuners" can't tune with OFT.


The point is that some don't because the tune can't be locked like it can be on Ecutek.


I don't have a dog in this game (yet). Both tuning solutions have their advantages and disadvantages, but the longer OFT is around the better it's getting (more tunes, more features) while Ecutek has had to come down in price because of competition. In the end we all win because of the competition because it breeds innovation.

[steve99]

Originally Posted by Poodles

Because they both use the stock ECU and tables, it's pretty pointless to say that those same "master tuners" can't tune with OFT.


The point is that some don't because the tune can't be locked like it can be on Ecutek.


I don't have a dog in this game (yet). Both tuning solutions have their advantages and disadvantages, but the longer OFT is around the better it's getting (more tunes, more features) while Ecutek has had to come down in price because of competition. In the end we all win because of the competition because it breeds innovation.

+100 on that.

Before OFT arrived in Australia only option was full dynotune and either Ecutek or brzedit

Ecutek dynotune on NA car for petrol $1800 (no cable kit either just a tune and go) no canned tunes offered as they insisted they don't work.
If you wanted E85 they only did flex fuel kit no map switch option as they said and still say not possible so about another $1000 so $2800 for ecutek flex kit for E85 .

BRZedit tuners wanted about 1200-1500 for petrol NA dyno tune. Insisted canned tunes were no good. Tune is locked no tactrix adapter included

OFT comes along starts gaining market share in Australia

Brzedit tuners now offering canned tunes for petrol or E85 for about $300
full dyno tunes drop to about $800 or so. still locked though. no tactrix cable included.


Ecutek guys still doggedly holding onto their pricing and as far as I know still not offering canned tunes here maybe drop a couple of hundred if you start showing interest in OFT or brzedit tuneing.

Bring on competition.


On NA cars when your just writing changed tables to ECU all tuning platforms capable of same thing ie writing a rom and logging.

BrzEdit tuners and OFT guys have proved you can go turbo or Supercharger with those platforms.

It all hinges on if you want flex fuel and map switching on the fly.

[yomny]

Good points guys.

[Andrew025]

Originally Posted by yomny

Good points guy.

Quoting just to quote

[yomny]

I figured this would be better, don't want to contribute to non informative posts. These forums are full of it so I'll let the guys with facts and better data do the posting.

[Koa]

Originally Posted by cameronjones239

For a person like me, I don't have a tuner in the state of Missouri that will touch my car. So those 100 master tuners are kind of pointless (for me). I could etune with them, but no point in spending the extra buck in doing that until I have all the bolt-ons I want on the car finished. With OFT in the meantime of upgrading the car, I can try out the stage 1 91 and 93 maps while stock, try out the e85 this spring, get my headers on and try out the stage 2 91/93/e85 maps and then get my etune at the end to fine tune it all. I could even skip the etune, go turbo with the SBD kit and still never once pay for a tune.

Would a dyno yield better results than an etune? Sure, but to drive out of state, pay the dyno fee, and pay the tuner it'll rack up quick vs a small gain over the etune I'd get with shiv. Isn't ecutek etunes usually $50-$100+ per upgraded tune? I don't think they're free but someone correct me if I'm wrong..

Ecutek is nice and I think it's a great product, but for the bang for the buck I feel it's kind of hard not to go with OFT. Each persons scenario is different which will push them towards one or the other.

Yup, you're right.. just different paths- bang for the buck is arguable since ecutek's racerom and flexfuel features are extremely attractive to some, who see that 300-400 license and 300-400 cable+dongle as a drop in the bucket or depend on their cars professionally.. swore off using opensource for corn juice after a near-det scenario on my wrx with a tactrix setup and e-tuned E85 map. It's just not dynamic enough to be a true flexfuel setup and the value there, or bang for the buck, puts ecutek at the top of serious FI/track builds

I have the OFT and love it too. OFT's ability for users to edit their bins via RR is a value add as well, don't forget that one! Being able to disable cold start, tweak all tables (rescale maf, load comp/timing/IAT rescales, change idle & aux tables, etc) is awesome.

[menikmati]

Originally Posted by Bader

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I suggest you read this book.

I'm actually in the process of reading this book. It's eye-opening, nonetheless.

[sachu]

Can ECUTek overwrite an existing BRZEdit tune on a car?

[steve99]

Originally Posted by sachu

Can ECUTek overwrite an existing BRZEdit tune on a car?

Both Ecutek and BRZEdit can "lock" the ecu by changing the standard "seed key" that is needed to access the ecu for reading and writing a rom. Kind of like the password on windows.

If you don't know the seed key your snookered. Brzedit and Ecutek all use different keys and keys change between tuners and each license issued i believe.

Unless you remove ecu build circuit similar to link below and erase and write via serial interface directly to the micro-controller on the ecu.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/show....php?t=2200443

Ecutek may offer this service not sure

[Kodename47]

Originally Posted by sachu

Can ECUTek overwrite an existing BRZEdit tune on a car?

There must be a put back to stock option like ECUtek on BRZEdit. Then you could write with whatever you like

[steve99]

Originally Posted by Kodename47

There must be a put back to stock option like ECUtek on BRZEdit. Then you could write with whatever you like

Id be confident that would would be the case if you know the original tuner/flasher :-)

not sure if Brzedit has any master unlock ability

[robr]

Originally Posted by s2d4

Yeah, find me a dyno for an el/stock that got rid of the torque dip and doesn't have stupid scaling on the graph to force it flat.

Best I can do:




Bone stock (Run_001) on a Dynojet 248c. P&L Motorsports 4:1 EL header, air filter completely removed (was doing dyno testing of 2 or 3 different drop in filters), and ECUtek (Run_026). Same car, same day, same dyno, same dyno driver even. EDIT: Crap, this was with a 2.75" J2 exhaust as well. All my header and ECUtek only graphs are with wonky tach signals (after the torque dip, but figured someone would bring it up).

I turned the smoothing to 0 just for you

Please note I am in absolutely no way at all saying ECUtek is better than OFT. I am simply responding to your request for a dyno that got rid of the torque dip with an EL header compared to stock. Granted, there's a 6ft-lb dip still, but I'd call that marginally better than the stock dip.

[robr]

Originally Posted by nunonuna

J...do you really think that base fr-s Dyno number would have significant difference on a same exact dyno?? If baseline was from another dyno + different location, I would agree with your comment, but the dyno was same exact dyno on same exact location. What would be the difference do you think?? Im talking about base born stock number.

Four different bone stock FRS dynos. All different days of course. I left smoothing at 0 to appease s2d4.

Oddly enough, the green graph is the only 2014. It was also the only one of the 4 that developed cam issues very shortly after purchase. Very shortly after. Lemon Law proceedings started, but he ended up keeping the car for whatever reason (he's a former coworker).