follow ft86club on our blog, twitter or facebook.
FT86CLUB
Ft86Club
Delicious Tuning
Register Garage Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   Scion FR-S Forum | Subaru BRZ Forum | Toyota 86 GT 86 Forum | AS1 Forum - FT86CLUB > Technical Topics > Forced Induction

Forced Induction Turbo, Supercharger, Methanol, Nitrous


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-27-2019, 08:42 PM   #15
solidsnake11
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Drives: brz
Location: nc
Posts: 551
Thanks: 74
Thanked 312 Times in 182 Posts
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
The typical Top Fuel engine displaces 496 cubic inches. They have hemispherical combustion chamber cylinder heads. The block and heads are usually made by Brad Anderson or Alan Johnson. The bore and stroke is 4.310 inches by 4.25 inches with a compression ratio of 6.5-to-1 or 7-to-1
Interesting
solidsnake11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2019, 08:45 PM   #16
86MLR
Senior Member
 
86MLR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2018
Drives: 2017 86 limited
Location: Sydney
Posts: 1,659
Thanks: 271
Thanked 1,308 Times in 722 Posts
Mentioned: 9 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by 86TOYO2k17 View Post
Seems a tad low for AVO turbo at 8psi. Low octane fuel in your area?
Stock manual transmission is rated at 250nm or 185ft lbs torque.
Sure it can probably work and hold up for a while for some people. Just like some people have gone 5k+ miles at 400whp on stock block and others bend a rod at 500 miles at 200wtq/240whp how its driven and luck play a big role. But I wouldnít consider the stock clutch to have any long term reliability at 220wtq just my 2 cents.
Safe fat tune.

Typical numbers for here in Australia on a chassis dyno running 98 ron.
__________________
Disclaimer: This post represents the official views of the voices in my head at the time of posting.
http://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=133311
I'm only here for the biscuits
86MLR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2019, 08:53 PM   #17
Irace86.2.0
Senior Member
 
Irace86.2.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Drives: Q5 + BRZ + M796
Location: Santa Rosa, Ca
Posts: 2,383
Thanks: 1,487
Thanked 1,067 Times in 717 Posts
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by solidsnake11 View Post
Both will beat it. E85 with lower compression with more boost.
Right, except the gains with E85 arenít as much with lower compression, depending on the ratio and the amount of boost of course, but often people will hit the limits of their basic engine builds or of the transmission or of the axles before needing E85 on top of lower compression.
__________________
Irace86.2.0 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2019, 09:00 PM   #18
mswbrz
Senior Member
 
mswbrz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2014
Drives: 2013 brz limited / galaxy blue
Location: Oakdale
Posts: 187
Thanks: 118
Thanked 57 Times in 37 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by kev0 View Post
300whp is definitely attainable with most FI kits on the market right now with E85, but I know you said E85 isn't really available in your area. Reliability gets thrown out the window when you boost your car, but the chances of your engine blowing up is pretty rare, given that you went with a good tuner.

With that being said, 300whp is pretty high for the FA20 engine. The rods aren't as strong as the one's in the FA20DIT from the WRX. I believe 240-270whp is the sweet spot with this car and it's weight.

Look into the ACE 350 Header with an Ecutek tune. That should net about 20whp safely.

In terms of supporting mod, you'll want an oil cooler, gauges (boost, AFR, oil pressure), gauge pod to hold your gauges, catchcan, an ecutek tune and device. If you include all that with your FI kit, you'll be looking at around $7k-9k with installation. I don't recommend doing this until your powertrain warranty is out.

As for SC or a turbo..that is up for you to decide. Tons of threads out there about this topic. I personally like the SC route for the instant throttle response and boost.

Best SC kits for our car would be the Jackson Racing, Edelbrock and Harrop. Best Turbo would be JDL and Fullblown. This is just what I've gathered from hundreds of hours of research before boosting my car.

I SC'd my car and it all costed me $6k. Good luck.


Nice synopsis primo (ᵔᴥᵔ)


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
mswbrz is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to mswbrz For This Useful Post:
kev0 (10-28-2019)
Old 10-27-2019, 09:14 PM   #19
solidsnake11
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Drives: brz
Location: nc
Posts: 551
Thanks: 74
Thanked 312 Times in 182 Posts
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
You said
Quote:
Originally Posted by Irace86.2.0 View Post
but nothing will beat E85/meth/octane or lowering compression for safety.
And I said
Quote:
Both will beat it. E85 with lower compression with more boost.
I was just saying what would beat it.
solidsnake11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2019, 09:49 PM   #20
Irace86.2.0
Senior Member
 
Irace86.2.0's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2017
Drives: Q5 + BRZ + M796
Location: Santa Rosa, Ca
Posts: 2,383
Thanks: 1,487
Thanked 1,067 Times in 717 Posts
Mentioned: 5 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by solidsnake11 View Post
You said

And I said
I was just saying what would beat it.
Yea I got that. Joke or not, I was just making it clear that the gains arenít entirely additive.
__________________
Irace86.2.0 is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2019, 11:12 PM   #21
HachirocksU
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Drives: Friggin Really Sweet
Location: GARDEN GROVE
Posts: 53
Thanks: 29
Thanked 14 Times in 8 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Not sure how much you purchased your car for but it sounds like a Supra MKV would've suit your needs/wants. By the time you put X amount in your car it would've equate to a Supra MKV and a happy face.
HachirocksU is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2019, 12:11 AM   #22
solidsnake11
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Drives: brz
Location: nc
Posts: 551
Thanks: 74
Thanked 312 Times in 182 Posts
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by HachirocksU View Post
Not sure how much you purchased your car for but it sounds like a Supra MKV would've suit your needs/wants. By the time you put X amount in your car it would've equate to a Supra MKV and a happy face.
You mean the new BMW with a Supra badge, such a let down, it should have been Toyota built, with a aluminum 4 liter 3jz. I guess Toyota thought they couldn't top the the legendary 2jz.
solidsnake11 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2019, 12:55 AM   #23
HachirocksU
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Drives: Friggin Really Sweet
Location: GARDEN GROVE
Posts: 53
Thanks: 29
Thanked 14 Times in 8 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by solidsnake11 View Post
You mean the new BMW with a Supra badge, such a let down, it should have been Toyota built, with a aluminum 4 liter 3jz. I guess Toyota thought they couldn't top the the legendary 2jz.
However you'd like to call it. I'm a supra owner myself(not MKV). I wouldn't go into details on why there is no 3JZ from Japan. Just glad that it is finally released so people can stop complaining on that and then focus on complaining some more about other things instead of having a solution to the makers/market.

An MKV makes more sense as well especially that the owner is in California and eventually will need his car checked and it ticks the box he's looking for.

aite peace
HachirocksU is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2019, 05:58 AM   #24
DriftQueen
Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2019
Drives: 2018 BRZ
Location: CA
Posts: 24
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by solidsnake11 View Post
You mean the new BMW with a Supra badge, such a let down, it should have been Toyota built, with a aluminum 4 liter 3jz. I guess Toyota thought they couldn't top the the legendary 2jz.
Was considering a supra before getting this car but found it was way too futuristic looking and I'm not happy that it's a rebadged BMW. I'm not a fan of BMW and would rather stick with a pure JDM car.

Sent from my SM-G960W using Tapatalk
DriftQueen is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to DriftQueen For This Useful Post:
solidsnake11 (10-28-2019)
Old 10-28-2019, 08:46 AM   #25
Lantanafrs2
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Drives: 2013 frs red
Location: South Florida
Posts: 1,298
Thanks: 520
Thanked 725 Times in 449 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by solidsnake11 View Post
You mean the new BMW with a Supra badge, such a let down, it should have been Toyota built, with a aluminum 4 liter 3jz. I guess Toyota thought they couldn't top the the legendary 2jz.
Nobody's really pouring money into internal combustion anymore
Lantanafrs2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2019, 09:55 AM   #26
Goingnowherefast
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2019
Drives: AP2 S2000, 91 Miata 1.8L Rotrex 5MT
Location: Detroit, MI
Posts: 121
Thanks: 27
Thanked 72 Times in 46 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lantanafrs2 View Post
Nobody's really pouring money into internal combustion anymore
This.

Development money is and has been shifting towards EV, HEV, and transmission tech.
__________________
2017 Subaru BRZ w/ PP - Delicious Tuning S2+ Flex Fuel/Tomei UEL/HKS Single/Front camber bolts (maxed) (SCCA TT T4)
Goingnowherefast is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Goingnowherefast For This Useful Post:
Lantanafrs2 (10-28-2019)
 
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Blown 2016 FA20 swap 2017 FA20 HRLQN Engine Swaps 11 10-15-2019 07:17 AM
Performing FA20 swap with new FA20 Ctoner2653 Engine Swaps 5 09-04-2019 08:56 AM
Ode to FA20 tahdizzle Subaru BRZ General Forum 7 01-14-2015 03:06 PM
FA20 or 4U-GSE ??? WesFRS Engine, Exhaust, Transmission 2 04-25-2013 04:17 AM
VM vs FA20 CAi speedtrip Engine, Exhaust, Transmission 0 02-05-2013 01:34 PM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 01:11 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2020, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.