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Old 03-17-2018, 04:23 AM   #15
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What? You maybe need to travel more than 100 miles cause I see about 30 or so on autotrader all the time. Most are under 60k, manual, for under $17k.

If I was solely getting for track use, a different set of wheels would be first on the order. So that point is mute, same as tire choices.

Also way more choices beside the lame-o tire rack.com options.
I filtered by V6 and manual and looked through the cheapest 150 listings. The closest dealer for $28k V6 1LE is 700 miles away. The depreciation is probably going to suck, can't see why normal people would opt for V6 1LE over SS. Where are you seeing under $17k?

I only drive 10 miles a day, no need for a dedicated set of wheels. I've checked Hankook and Dunlop websites and neither have a 20 inch option for EHP tires.
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I already gave up on the V6 1LE. I can't find any in stock new or used within hundreds of miles that are priced reasonably. It's hard to even find V6 manual cars so that I can get a feel for the acceleration difference. The tire selection for the stock wheel size also sucks. You're either stuck with Eagle F1 all seasons or have to purchase another set of wheels. Those all seasons probably melt on the track.

I ruled out the SS because it has tiny brakes and it's just way too fast for me. All I want is a performance driving oriented car with a bit more acceleration capability.
1le cars have massive brembos and tons of tire options.... at least in ss trim.
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I already gave up on the V6 1LE. I can't find any in stock new or used within hundreds of miles that are priced reasonably. It's hard to even find V6 manual cars so that I can get a feel for the acceleration difference. The tire selection for the stock wheel size also sucks. You're either stuck with Eagle F1 all seasons or have to purchase another set of wheels. Those all seasons probably melt on the track.

I ruled out the SS because it has tiny brakes and it's just way too fast for me. All I want is a performance driving oriented car with a bit more acceleration capability.
Both the 1LE's come with max performance summer tires (V6 has Eagle F1 and the SS has Eagle F1 Supercar) so you should be fine with either for track use. I think I'd still want a separate square setup for track use (allows for tire rotations and probably better overall balance).

Also as Summerwolf mentioned, the 1LE SS has big Brembo's. Brakes should be stout.
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For muscle cars, I can't buy V6 anything, I'd get pissed everytime a V8 went passed me.

Also, my head literally touches the roof on 6th gen Camaros, but the SS version is really nice...but at that point I'd just buy a used Corvette Stingray.

So there's your answer, no on the V6 1LE. Yes on a used C7.
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For muscle cars, I can't buy V6 anything, I'd get pissed everytime a V8 went passed me.

Also, my head literally touches the roof on 6th gen Camaros, but the SS version is really nice...but at that point I'd just buy a used Corvette Stingray.

So there's your answer, no on the V6 1LE. Yes on a used C7.
The 1le is probably a better track car though
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The 1le is probably a better track car though
.....than a c7?
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.....than a c7?
https://jalopnik.com/fourth-class-ac...-go-1823190855

along with the cooling issues that come with a transaxle
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along with the cooling issues that come with a transaxle
Not every c7 is a z06...... just a normal stingray or z51 is a pretty potent track machine.

Stock for stock an ss1le is a competitor to anything lower than a grand sport.... but still.
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Old 03-17-2018, 07:05 PM   #23
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I filtered by V6 and manual and looked through the cheapest 150 listings. The closest dealer for $28k V6 1LE is 700 miles away. The depreciation is probably going to suck, can't see why normal people would opt for V6 1LE over SS. Where are you seeing under $17k?

I only drive 10 miles a day, no need for a dedicated set of wheels. I've checked Hankook and Dunlop websites and neither have a 20 inch option for EHP tires.
Oh.....the 1LT trim. Yeah my mistake, didn't see that.
Well shit man, your basically looking for 2016+ car. Those prices are not coming down for while.

Well, look at this from another view, it's the same engine, just with upgrade brakes and suspension. (And new body style). You could buy a cheap 2015 and just upgrade the same shit your self, bam bobs your uncle, now you have a 1LT model.
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Old 03-17-2018, 07:22 PM   #24
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1le cars have massive brembos and tons of tire options.... at least in ss trim.
Hmm, will need to check if the SS and SS 1LE use the same brakes. Even if they do, I don't think I can afford to track an SS.

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Both the 1LE's come with max performance summer tires (V6 has Eagle F1 and the SS has Eagle F1 Supercar) so you should be fine with either for track use. I think I'd still want a separate square setup for track use (allows for tire rotations and probably better overall balance).

Also as Summerwolf mentioned, the 1LE SS has big Brembo's. Brakes should be stout.
The only experience I have with max performance tires is the MPSS and those get destroyed from track use. Would prefer to stick with extreme performance tires, nice balance between daily driving and track. Yes, tire rotations especially for drifting and handling balance is a concern as well. From the little content they have of the V6 1LE, it seems to be really biased toward power understeer. I'm sure the staggered tires has something to do with it.

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For muscle cars, I can't buy V6 anything, I'd get pissed everytime a V8 went passed me.

Also, my head literally touches the roof on 6th gen Camaros, but the SS version is really nice...but at that point I'd just buy a used Corvette Stingray.

So there's your answer, no on the V6 1LE. Yes on a used C7.
I never had that feeling. On the track, it's driver vs. driver if you're interested in comparing sizes. If anything, getting passed by a slower car is what is embarrassing. A V6 1LE would be quite capable on the track, with a Streets of Willow lap time one second slower than the M2.

Can't afford the C7 and it's probably too fast for me anyway. I've already ruled out the C6 Z51.

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FWIW - before anyone starts to stack rank cars... consider at least a day or two doing a high-performance driving school. The skills you pick up from those types of classes not only carry forward to just about any car you own in the future, but also give you some ability to test a car's ability.

I mean it's one thing to own say a 911 Porsche R... but if you drive it like your first Corolla in high school, well what's the point of spending all that money to only enjoy a small dimension of that car?

Wouldn't it be awesome to be able to drive a 911 to 99% of it's capability?

The thing I *love* about taking other BRZ owners out in my BRZ is when they say "I didn't know my car could handle like that!"

My 2-cents.
I'm not fast, but I have 30+ hours of seat time with my BRZ. If I get the V6 1LE, I will track it a lot. But I do agree what what you're saying. The difference in enjoyment between using 90-110% of the car and daily driving is massive.

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Oh.....the 1LT trim. Yeah my mistake, didn't see that.
Well shit man, your basically looking for 2016+ car. Those prices are not coming down for while.

Well, look at this from another view, it's the same engine, just with upgrade brakes and suspension. (And new body style). You could buy a cheap 2015 and just upgrade the same shit your self, bam bobs your uncle, now you have a 1LT model.
The $28k one I'm look at is a 1LS 1LE.
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The only experience I have with max performance tires is the MPSS and those get destroyed from track use.
Uhh, with what car, the BRZ?! I've got MPSS on my Cayman and they do just fine on track. Not even remotely close to destroyed. Not as much ultimate grip as an RE-71R or Star Spec ZII, but I drive around 12,000 miles a year so MPSS are good all around.
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LOL, and EWW.
That is all.
Pretty hard to lol at something faster than a supra
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