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Old 01-15-2015, 04:35 PM   #15
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Hmmm... should I let this deter me from looking into obtaining a MR-S after the lease is up?



Nah.
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The FR-S will also lift-throttle oversteer. There's a corner at my local track that sounds very similar to the turn he's describing, with a crest just before the apex. I usually do a small lift there to get the car rotated and the rear steps out nicely.

I was under the impression that a lot of RWD sports cars will do the same, but from the interview, he makes it sound like the 90's Viper, 911, Espirit, etc. won't. Interesting.
Mid-engine and front-engine are much different.

Even front-mid offers much less time to correct a spin. This is why cars like the FD RX7 and S2000 are much easier to spin than cars like the 240sx or FRS.

But it's also the reason why they turn in so well and feel so balanced for grip driving.

F1 cars are mid-engine for a reason
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Old 01-15-2015, 05:48 PM   #17
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Mid-engine and front-engine are much different.

Even front-mid offers much less time to correct a spin. This is why cars like the FD RX7 and S2000 are much easier to spin than cars like the 240sx or FRS.

But it's also the reason why they turn in so well and feel so balanced for grip driving.

F1 cars are mid-engine for a reason
Yeah I'm aware of the effect of having more mass towards the rear. I just found it surprising that a lot of mid-90's supercars aside from the NSX weren't setup neutral enough to lift-throttle oversteer, at least according to Csere.

Today you can find that level of neutrality in a lot of enthusiast cars, even relatively commonplace cars like the RX-8, FR-S, S2000, Focus/Fiesta ST, etc. Makes me think manufacturers' chassis tuning has become less conservative over time.
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My 180 felt like a dart, the center of gravity was definitely ahead of you and the rear kind of swinging along behind it. Even my GTR feels this way, bu to a lesser The supercharged first gen MR2 with the overdrive pulley wanted to rotate around a point right behind the shifter and tried very hard to do that a lot. I don't like this; it feels all wrong. No thanks.
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My 180 felt like a dart, the center of gravity was definitely ahead of you and the rear kind of swinging along behind it. Even my GTR feels this way, bu to a lesser The supercharged first gen MR2 with the overdrive pulley wanted to rotate around a point right behind the shifter and tried very hard to do that a lot. I don't like this; it feels all wrong. No thanks.
It feels wonderful!
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Heck, some people even prefer FWD. Different strokes.
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Hmmm... should I let this deter me from looking into obtaining a MR-S after the lease is up?



Nah.
Good Man! The MR-S is one of the hidden treasures of performance driving and the sole reason I do not currently own a FR-S.



I would really like to drive an older NSX but I have no interest in the new one even if I could afford it (which I am pretty sure I cannot).
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After all these years, now I know how to pronounce Csaba Csere.
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After all these years, now I know how to pronounce Csaba Csere.
When people called the CD office and asked to speak to him, they would know buy how the caller pronounced his name whether they should be passed through.
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After all these years, now I know how to pronounce Csaba Csere.
"chubby cheddar"
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Worth posting the article for the background info it provides:

http://jalopnik.com/how-car-and-driv...ars-1679357347
I didn't feel it was necessary since the article was basically a copy and paste of what was said in the video.
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After all these years, now I know how to pronounce Csaba Csere.
Just ask another Hungarian. I would have helped you.
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Good Man! The MR-S is one of the hidden treasures of performance driving and the sole reason I do not currently own a FR-S.



I would really like to drive an older NSX but I have no interest in the new one even if I could afford it (which I am pretty sure I cannot).
The hard part is finding one to bring to Canada.
We have a few in Ontario, but generally they're over 8k CAD.
Not to mention a hard top is damn near unicorn status.
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I love Csaba. Great story


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