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Old 10-01-2018, 12:27 PM   #85
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I don't necessarily hate Tesla, I hate imprecise language and am suspicious of claims made using imprecise language, which, coincidentally, Tesla has a history of.
Tesla wouldn't be the first company to miss production targets, but has any of their performance/mileage statements failed to live up to their claims (0-60 times, quarter mile times, average miles, etc.)? The answer is no.
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Old 10-01-2018, 12:36 PM   #86
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This is a little bit funny..

https://jalopnik.com/cop-pulls-tesla...nte-1829437075
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Yet I've seen countless cops burying their face in their dash-mounted laptops at lights lol.
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Old 10-01-2018, 01:41 PM   #88
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Imagine waking up in a cold tent, but you have a hair dryer that looks like a cordless drill, and the battery lasts 4 hours on high heat, so you turn it on and Warm up your tent in a few minutes...
This is such a weird example to make your point...
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This is such a weird example to make your point...
He lives in the Pacific Northwest. That is a perfectly apt description of the ideal future.
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This is such a weird example to make your point...


I'm a backpacker.


I think about stuff like this all the time. My base pack weighs 15lbs. What if a one pound battery could power all your devices for a week? (GPS, MP3 player, sat phone, bluetooth speaker, and tent heater!!!)
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This is such a weird example to make your point...
You DO NOT want to know what else he does with a blow-dryer!
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I'm a backpacker.


I think about stuff like this all the time. My base pack weighs 15lbs. What if a one pound battery could power all your devices for a week? (GPS, MP3 player, sat phone, bluetooth speaker, and tent heater!!!)
You were doing OK until you got to the tent heater.

Traditional chemical batteries simply don't have enough energy density to be really useful.

Back on point, at least the Aztec had the tent option thing.
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You were doing OK until you got to the tent heater.

Traditional chemical batteries simply don't have enough energy density to be really useful.

Back on point, at least the Aztec had the tent option thing.
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But which tuning solution is best?
If you can get Scotty to do the tune then you are laughing. I understand he is very dedicated.


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I don't necessarily hate Tesla, I hate imprecise language and am suspicious of claims made using imprecise language, which, coincidentally, Tesla has a history of.

From your original 30 minutes of spirited driving claim using only 9 miles or range, I determined that we have very different definitions of spirited, the range display was inaccurate, or your claim was false.
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From your original 30 minutes of spirited driving claim using only 9 miles or range, I determined that we have very different definitions of spirited, the range display was inaccurate, or your claim was false.

30 minutes would get only 9 miles here. Heck, it was 40 minutes for 4 miles yesterday for me, including some spirited driving in a couple spots, if you want to call it that - as much as I'm willing to do in the city around pedestrians, bikes, and lots of other cars. City life does that, with lots of waiting at lights for a few moments of moving. But I can still turn and accelerate hard when I get the chance.


I've also observed the battery range on my wife's car go UP over the course of the mile-ish it usually gets driven. That's a Volt, which is perfect for those super short trips that are most common, without leaving us stranded for longer trips.
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30 minutes would get only 9 miles here. Heck, it was 40 minutes for 4 miles yesterday for me, including some spirited driving in a couple spots, if you want to call it that - as much as I'm willing to do in the city around pedestrians, bikes, and lots of other cars. City life does that, with lots of waiting at lights for a few moments of moving. But I can still turn and accelerate hard when I get the chance.


I've also observed the battery range on my wife's car go UP over the course of the mile-ish it usually gets driven. That's a Volt, which is perfect for those super short trips that are most common, without leaving us stranded for longer trips.
Are you saying it takes 40 minutes to actually go 4 miles, or that the battery range in the Volt says 4 miles less after 40 minutes? If the former, that's why I live not in a city lol.



These range readouts are inherantly inaccurate. There are so many variables that must be predicted in order to determine range (same as gas engines) that it's impossible to say how much range you have at any given moment. These include environment (temperature, humidity, solar load), weight, voltage, age of battery, age of motor, efficiency of driver, speed, accessories (AC, sound system, connectivity), brake bias (e recovery vs mechanical) etc. Since it can't see the future, the car probably stores some history to adjust based on current conditions. This is why you can see strange things like range going up after driving, or range going down significantly overnight (also batteries need to be temperature controlled as I understand it).

The other side of the problem is you can't just show voltage or even KWh because that doesn't actually tell the user anything.

Anyway, the point I've been working towards is that citing the readout for "I went x miles (or x minutes) and only lost y range" is not a good way to determine overall range of any vehicle. It does not scale to the full range easily and you have to account for many more variables to do so.
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