Take that all 86/FR-S/BRZ haters!!!!!!

[PetrolioBenzina]

People who care that a Camry is faster in a straight line "bought the wrong car". For a daily driver/just for fun non-tracked car, just what are you missing with the stock HP?

[Adam Anthony]

Originally Posted by PetrolioBenzina

People who care that a Camry is faster in a straight line "bought the wrong car". For a daily driver/just for fun non-tracked car, just what are you missing with the stock HP?

People will say torque. More torque would be good for daily driving.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Adam Anthony

People will say torque. More torque would be good for daily driving.

What do I need torque for in traffic?

[Cole]

Originally Posted by Adam Anthony

People will say torque. More torque would be good for daily driving.

Being above the tq dip eliminates the need for torque in daily driving. Stay above 4500 rpm whenever you need to get going and you're fine.

I think you need to learn how to properly drive the car.

[Summerwolf]

This community is a joy to be in......

[Darth Khan]

Originally Posted by VoltsFRS2013

I still never understood why Subaru never went ahead and threw in the boxer from the WRX into these but who knows.

Read this and you will understand why:

BRZ/FRS Creation Story

[Sideways&Smiling]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

What do I need torque for in traffic?

What do you need a light, fun, RWD sports car in traffic for?

Same idea.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Sideways&Smiling

What do you need a light, fun, RWD sports car in traffic for?

Same idea.

It's really not. Please explain why torque is needed for traffic. Don't dodge it by implying sport cars in traffic are relative to a high torque requirement in traffic. These are not one in the same.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

It's really not. Please explain why torque is needed for traffic. Don't dodge it by implying sport cars in traffic are relative to a high torque requirement in traffic. These are not one in the same.

Which car will be more efficient at coming up to speed at an onramp, or passing cars on the highway? What about when sudden acceleration is needed to avoid certain obstacles in the road? Obviously the cars have different HP, but it seems silly to deny that torque can be beneficial to daily driving in certain situations.







Why did you buy a RWD car in the first place? It's useless in traffic compared to FWD. RWD is less efficient, and can't hold a candle to FWD when it comes to bad weather conditions.

[Yardjass]

Originally Posted by Cole

Being above the tq dip eliminates the need for torque in daily driving. Stay above 4500 rpm whenever you need to get going and you're fine.

I think you need to learn how to properly drive the car.

I for one, love maximizing the time when I'm getting 3 miles per gallon in my four cylinder car on my daily commute. I usually drive around in a gear or two lower than I should be in just so I have all that instant power on tap.

Originally Posted by Jordanwolf

It's really not. Please explain why torque is needed for traffic. Don't dodge it by implying sport cars in traffic are relative to a high torque requirement in traffic. These are not one in the same.

Go drive a small turbo diesel car in traffic and you will know why torque is so great. Tons of pickup from the 20-50 mph range and you don't even have to downshift.

[StraightOuttaCanadaEh]

Very true. Drove a Mini Cooper S and the boost was excellent. Something like 190+ lb-ft compared to our measly 120-130? lol

The other problem is if you keep driving around at 4.5K, it's loud. Look like an idiot trying to overtake lol. The noise is not matching the pace

[Cole]

Originally Posted by Yardjass

I for one, love maximizing the time when I'm getting 3 miles per gallon in my four cylinder car on my daily commute. I usually drive around in a gear or two lower than I should be in just so I have all that instant power on tap.






Go drive a small turbo diesel car in traffic and you will know why torque is so great. Tons of pickup from the 20-50 mph range and you don't even have to downshift.

Of course you take that out of context. But any time you need more torque on tap, wouldn't it make sense to go above the torque dip?

I guess common sense ain't all that common

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by Yardjass

I for one, love maximizing the time when I'm getting 3 miles per gallon in my four cylinder car on my daily commute. I usually drive around in a gear or two lower than I should be in just so I have all that instant power on tap.

The twins are actually pretty solid when it comes to fuel economy and real world driving.


http://www.motortrend.com/news/epa-f...onomy-winners/


Most sporty turbocharged cars get crap gas mileage anytime you really lay into the boost. I'm pretty sure cars like the Focus ST and Ecoboost Mustang have poor real world economy numbers compared to advertised. Besides, if you can't afford a couple extra gallons of gas maybe you should be driving a Civic instead.

[venturaII]

These motors make plenty of torque at normal engine speeds in typical commuter/suburban traffic. The only place I notice the torque dip is during spirited driving, when you actually want a little more power and so you naturally rev the motor higher. The frustration occurs because the dip occurs right at the rpm range where you're expecting the motor to start waking up, but you then have to wait an extra 1000rpm or so to get through it...