BRZ and FR-S Sales Numbers Thread

[Exhaust]

Originally Posted by Guff

YOU'RE ALIVE!!!


I MISSED YOUUUUU!!!:happy0180:

Its been a while my friend, sorry for not responding to the text, by the time I noticed it, it had been quite a while.

[terrypm]

Subaru USA just released their December sales numbers;


36,653 vs 33,701, +9% Dec'12 sales vs Dec'11 sales

336,441 vs 266,989, +26% calendar year 2012 vs calendar year 2011

497 BRZ's sold in Dec'12

4144 BRZ's sold in calendar year 2012


Toyota USA sales; (updated)

194,143 vs 178,131 +13% Dec'12 sales vs Dec'11 sales

2,082,504 vs 1,644,661 +26% calendar year 2012 sales vs calendar year 2011 sales

1495 FR-S's sold in Dec'12

11,417 FR-S's sold in calendar year 2012

[terrypm]

I just received the January 2013 BRZ and FR-S US sales data.
There were 463 BRZ and 1443 FR-S cars sold and delivered in January. Very similar numbers to the last several months.

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I think it is priced too high, stock for stock there are faster options. I think it's worth it, as do most people here. I think it'll sell like the RX8, it'll be the hot thing for a year or two but will fade, there's no denying it's a niche market, the interest will fade once people get their fill. Every other dealer has their flagship sports cars just sitting on the lots (Mustangs, Miatas, GTI's etc.) collecting dust.

The thing I'm most worried about is long term how they keep the car "fresh" which in this day and age means bloat, guess it'll just make the first generation more valuable in the long run.

have to keep in mind, the car fits a limited market.it has limited practicality to it. no one can predict the future,but if i was a betting man,i don't believe it will do well over time,simply because it costs too much to buy.now some will argue that it is a bargain at $25,000.00,however in this economy,it's still a chunk of change,and because only certain people will chase this car used,it will have to drop in value a lot for those people to afford one used.
the fact it is a specialized sports car may help it some,but not enough to make a real difference over time in my view. just sayin'

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I think it is priced too high, stock for stock there are faster options. I think it's worth it, as do most people here. I think it'll sell like the RX8, it'll be the hot thing for a year or two but will fade, there's no denying it's a niche market, the interest will fade once people get their fill. Every other dealer has their flagship sports cars just sitting on the lots (Mustangs, Miatas, GTI's etc.) collecting dust.

The thing I'm most worried about is long term how they keep the car "fresh" which in this day and age means bloat, guess it'll just make the first generation more valuable in the long run.

Originally Posted by strat61caster

For us, no, you must have missed my second sentence. The bottom line is you can get more performance for the money, these things are not going to be the new Mustang that's on every corner. On paper it's basically a Miata coupe with an extra grand tacked onto the sticker.

Mark my words, in less than a year they'll be stagnating on dealer lots like every other sports car.

unfortunately, i agree! reason is just so many people are gonna chase this car! it's a sports car,and the economy still sucks.what this means is that MOST people who can buy a new car won't be lookin' at this one,mainly because it is NOT practical enough,and to be honest,$25 large,IS still $25 large.it ain't chump change!..just sayin'

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

I think it is priced too high, stock for stock there are faster options. I think it's worth it, as do most people here. I think it'll sell like the RX8, it'll be the hot thing for a year or two but will fade, there's no denying it's a niche market, the interest will fade once people get their fill. Every other dealer has their flagship sports cars just sitting on the lots (Mustangs, Miatas, GTI's etc.) collecting dust.

The thing I'm most worried about is long term how they keep the car "fresh" which in this day and age means bloat, guess it'll just make the first generation more valuable in the long run.

i agree in principal, (look for the japanese to limit production further) except for the first year generation statement! i don't see this happening,because it will take too long for that to transpire.maybe 30 years or so down the road,again,MAYBE,but even if that does materialize,it really won't matter to most people,because the cars will be f**ked,and very expensive to make new again,if at all possible anyway.

[Shagaliscious]

@Spaceywilly

Looks like you have a typo in the total # of BRZs sold.

[Khánh]

Originally Posted by Shagaliscious

@Spaceywilly

Looks like you have a typo in the total # of BRZs sold.

yup! 4607 instead 46067

[Bones36]

Originally Posted by Khánh

yup! 4607 instead 46067

If they only sold 4,607 brz, why is my vin in the 5,000's?

[Zgrinch]

Originally Posted by Bones36

If they only sold 4,607 brz, why is my vin in the 5,000's?

Because yours has a flux capacitor installed and its back from the future

[Khánh]

Originally Posted by Bones36

If they only sold 4,607 brz, why is my vin in the 5,000's?

even if they built 7000 brz's ... do you think every dealers have sold all of their BRZ's? they don't sit around and wait for # 7 to be sold before they can sell #8

Originally Posted by Zgrinch

Because yours has a flux capacitor installed and its back from the future

hahhaha

[jmaryt]

Originally Posted by indesign

33k for a limited brz vs. 25k for an frs is a big disparity. i think that's why many people have jumped ship from brz to fr-s. it's cost savings. even though h.i.d, navigation, push button start, as well as other luxury amenities may be nice, it doesn't justify that 8k price difference; not to mention scion offering the military/college grad program as well.

i think all the followers of these twins have waited long for an affordable rwd sports car, and their prayers have been answered by the 25k price tag of the fr-s; but with dealerships keeping the brz over 30k, it pushes the car out of the means of the potential buyer.

yes! this is true.the tough part is that both cars are virtually the same produced in the same plant,so why pay 33k when you can pay 25 k. the differences,in MY view, are not worth the added expense. BOTH are technically subarus,so why get f**ked and pay more,because that is really what is happening. dealers are happy to take your money! just sayin'

[DarkSunrise]

Looks like the FR-S is on pace for about 18,000 cars sold in the US for the first full year, with the BRZ adding another 6,000 cars. That definitely hits the high end of their initial predictions.

One thing to keep in mind though is that the RX-8 sold about 24,000 cars in its first full calendar year. Wonder if the Twins will follow a similar sales track.

[rice_classic]

Originally Posted by DarkSunrise

Looks like the FR-S is on pace for about 18,000 cars sold in the US for the first full year, with the BRZ adding another 6,000 cars. That definitely hits the high end of their initial predictions.

One thing to keep in mind though is that the RX-8 sold about 24,000 cars in its first full calendar year. Wonder if the Twins will follow a similar sales track.

A: First "full" year. So not calendar year but first 12 month period right?

B: Any data to suggest that production output vs demand had any effect on units sold in estimated 12 month period?

C: RX-8 (2003) did not go on sale with $4/gallon fuel and in the midst of a massive recession. Although 2003 wasn't exactly an economic boom year either.