FT86 ... AS A SCION??? - Page 12 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

S2KtoFT86 · 12-05-2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Gearbanger

Thats how I roll.

Gearbanger · 12-05-2009, 11:53 AM

Just playing I would keep it stock . . .as long as its toyota lol!

whaap · 12-05-2009, 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by YourFearlessLeader

This is coming from a guy who worked in Scion, and has now moved up to Toyota.

There's a subliminal message in this sentence. "Moved up" suggests what most people think. That is Scion is secondary (inferior?) to Toyota. I can't believe they would take this vehicle and make a sub citizen out of it.

YourFearlessLeader · 12-05-2009, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by whaap

There's a subliminal message in this sentence. "Moved up" suggests what most people think. That is Scion is secondary (inferior?) to Toyota. I can't believe they would take this vehicle and make a sub citizen out of it.

Well, what I meant is that within their heirarchy, you move up from Scion to Toyota, to Lexus. A lexus regional manager will make more than a scion regional rep. Lexus also sells more cars. So, making more money, and moving to a bigger market... I consider that a promotion AKA moving up

whaap · 12-05-2009, 03:22 PM

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not criticizing. I'm stating what is probably obvious to 99.9% of car buyers and that is that Scion is considered subordinate to Toyota. Whether they are or not is immaterial. It wouldn't make sense for them to badge their new product with what is considered an inferior badge. They'd be further ahead badging it as a Lexus.

jay4prez · 12-05-2009, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by whaap

Don't misunderstand me. I'm not criticizing. I'm stating what is probably obvious to 99.9% of car buyers and that is that Scion is considered subordinate to Toyota. Whether they are or not is immaterial. It wouldn't make sense for them to badge their new product with what is considered an inferior badge. They'd be further ahead badging it as a Lexus.

Of course that wouldnt make sense because even the lowest priced lexus is at 30k and above. so All in all, I see this being a toyota toyota as it fits there best, that and I dont see anyone looking to buy a lexus sports car purchasing this when they have the money for an isf

Matador · 12-06-2009, 12:46 PM

Soooo........ Toyota Sports 2000? Or would Honda get mad?

ichitaka05 · 12-06-2009, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MatadorRacing_F1

Soooo........ Toyota Sports 2000? Or would Honda get mad?

Nah~. They Stop makin' S2k. I'm pretty sure Toyota can name it S2k. So ppl ask what car you have. You say "I have S2k. Not the Honda S2k, but Toyota S2k."

Rotarydisciple · 12-08-2009, 12:54 PM

I would hate to see them badge this car as a Scion. I personally am not a fan of Scion and think that they would diminish this car if they do that. I say they bring back the Celica name. The Celica was always a cheap fun sports car, thats my opinion.

mike2100 · 12-11-2009, 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by aspera

It *could* be sold as a Toyota, Subaru, AND a Scion. But I pretty much agree with White Comet.

I'd remove the ugly chromed plastic badges on the first day just like most of you would. I might swap the caps on the wheels to SAAB, though...just to mess with people.

Why does Toyota have such an ugly logo? Ovals are almost always a bad idea. Especially on a car. Cars always have circular wheels. Cars rarely have ovals anywhere...and when they do...you end up with Ford Taurus rear windows or Dodge Neon headlights. Toyota didn't even make an aerodynamic looking oval like Ford. They made a big, fat one. Wrong. Wrong Wrong.

I like the old school ALL CAPS "TOYOTA" logo. The FT-86 should have these letters in the grill, not a chromed plastic upside-down cowboy hat on the hood.

I'm sorry, this is an old post but LOL! Bring back all caps toyota and call the damn thing a Sprinter.

Matador · 12-19-2009, 02:19 PM

That last comment is spot on.

Scion is dying because of the lame products. The brand was supposed to refresh every 3-4 years. The tC has been here for going on 5. It needs to be replaced stat. The XB needs to go back to it's roots. Got it right the first time, trashed it with the second (although I think in modded form it is aesthetically pleasing, it is too heavy.) With respect to the engine, they could have slapped the JDM trd turbo on it instead of upping the size to 2.4L....

Total mis-steps and poor management all round. So not Toyota... who the hell is responsible for Scion management?!?!?

The xD and the Yaris compete directly with each other. Why a 5 door Yaris exists, it don't know. A 3 door and the Sedan would have been just fine.

Somebody needs to get off their Laurels and git er done. iQ, new tC, better xB and expand the line to include some kinda light-roader like a Suzuki samurai. Make up your mind if you are gonna keep selling a Yaris 5 door or the xD, because both aren't gonna cut it.

Scion was never supposed to move more than 100k-300k FOR THE WHOLE BRAND. It's quirkiness made it sell well in it's first few years. Then they tried to sell cars to everybody. Totally lost the f'king plot.

mike2100 · 12-19-2009, 02:20 PM

I'm beginning to not care what they call it as long as the 86 formula remains. Small, light, low power, balanced, RWD, no extra gizmos to break, no sunroof. Hatchback would be nice but whichever configuration (hatch/coupe) lends more to agility is fine with me.

S2KtoFT86 · 12-19-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mike2100

I'm beginning to not care what they call it as long as the 86 formula remains. Small, light, low power, balanced, RWD, no extra gizmos to break, no sunroof. Hatchback would be nice but whichever configuration (hatch/coupe) lends more to agility is fine with me.

I think it definitely matters what it's called. I think that in regards to the above article, if it's a Scion then people will just pass over it, no matter what it offers, thereby not selling enough to keep the car around for those of us that are going to purchase it. It needs to have staying power so that the aftermarket catches it and runs with it. The more the car sells the better for us, the enthusiast crowd, so naming this thing is not a small task. In fact, it's a huge one that could directly affect sales of the car.

These guys need to get their heads out of their asses and if their not in their ass, keep it that way and do right by the market they are trying to reach with this car.

Dimman · 12-19-2009, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by YourFearlessLeader

A lot of you guys are right about the aftermarket support for Scions, however, you guys are DEAD wrong about the parts for the tC at dealerships. As far as I know, all TRD superchargers have been discontinued due to the fact that they werent selling. Also, every other TRD performance part for the scion is rebranded from something else. TRD springs are Eibach, TRD intake is AEM, and the LSD is Qualife.

My TRD wheels are Rays/Volk. Sweet.

12-05-2009, 11:53 AM	#156
Gearbanger Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Drives: Lexus is300 celica gts Location: Pittsburgh Posts: 202 Thanks: 1 Thanked 62 Times in 20 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Just playing I would keep it stock . . .as long as its toyota lol!

12-05-2009, 03:22 PM	#159
whaap Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Drives: '13 FR-S firestorm, 6 mt - '11 CR-V Location: Tucson Posts: 2,133 Thanks: 243 Thanked 1,387 Times in 657 Posts Mentioned: 36 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Don't misunderstand me. I'm not criticizing. I'm stating what is probably obvious to 99.9% of car buyers and that is that Scion is considered subordinate to Toyota. Whether they are or not is immaterial. It wouldn't make sense for them to badge their new product with what is considered an inferior badge. They'd be further ahead badging it as a Lexus.

12-06-2009, 12:46 PM	#161
Matador hashiryu Join Date: Nov 2009 Drives: Mk4 Supra Location: Probably mucking around in an engine bay Posts: 2,567 Thanks: 18 Thanked 37 Times in 20 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Soooo........ Toyota Sports 2000? Or would Honda get mad?

12-08-2009, 12:54 PM	#163
Rotarydisciple Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Drives: 2004 Mazda Rx8 Location: South Jersey Posts: 11 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I would hate to see them badge this car as a Scion. I personally am not a fan of Scion and think that they would diminish this car if they do that. I say they bring back the Celica name. The Celica was always a cheap fun sports car, thats my opinion.

12-19-2009, 02:19 PM	#165
Matador hashiryu Join Date: Nov 2009 Drives: Mk4 Supra Location: Probably mucking around in an engine bay Posts: 2,567 Thanks: 18 Thanked 37 Times in 20 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	That last comment is spot on. Scion is dying because of the lame products. The brand was supposed to refresh every 3-4 years. The tC has been here for going on 5. It needs to be replaced stat. The XB needs to go back to it's roots. Got it right the first time, trashed it with the second (although I think in modded form it is aesthetically pleasing, it is too heavy.) With respect to the engine, they could have slapped the JDM trd turbo on it instead of upping the size to 2.4L.... Total mis-steps and poor management all round. So not Toyota... who the hell is responsible for Scion management?!?!? The xD and the Yaris compete directly with each other. Why a 5 door Yaris exists, it don't know. A 3 door and the Sedan would have been just fine. Somebody needs to get off their Laurels and git er done. iQ, new tC, better xB and expand the line to include some kinda light-roader like a Suzuki samurai. Make up your mind if you are gonna keep selling a Yaris 5 door or the xD, because both aren't gonna cut it. Scion was never supposed to move more than 100k-300k FOR THE WHOLE BRAND. It's quirkiness made it sell well in it's first few years. Then they tried to sell cars to everybody. Totally lost the f'king plot.

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