More confirmation from Toyota on next gen 86

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dont Want torque dip?

Just get an AC CobrA!

[soundman98]

Originally Posted by Docdoc

I have only seen the turbo charged version, but they may throw that into a updated GT86 platform with updated styling.

Docdoc

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

The answer:

We are committed to the continued development and improvements of the FA24 DIT found in the 2019 Subaru Ascent.

Originally Posted by Tcoat

LOL You guys all want that turboed FA24. I will bet you all a beer that the86/BRZ will never see it. Doesn't matter how much the internet complains they are never going to use a turbo in these cars. We will know in a year or two.

unless the chief engineer changes, turbo will never happen...

@60 seconds:
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[PetrolioBenzina]

I just discovered Jalopnik is blocked by the pi-hole. I think I'll leave it that way.

[gravitylover]

Originally Posted by ermax

A turbo FA24 doesn't. But an NA very easily could if they were interested. There have been plenty of engines that turn 8K with much worse geometry. The FA24 has the same stroke as the FA20. They gained all displacement in the bore. It just needs the valve train and heads to make it happen.

The difference in the Honda VTEC signature is it doesn't dip. It builds slow as shit and then skyrockets. It's the drop before it comes back up that makes it so noticeable (at least noticeable to people that have driven something other than an economy car in the past).

You said valve train... Uh oh

[Spuds]

If it's a choice between torque dip and pulling until 7k+, or no torque dip and anticlimactic top end, I'll take the engine with the torque dip.

[DarkPira7e]

I honestly would expect a higher revving engine before a turbo one. The car is consistently shunned in light of the s2000 having a nasty powerband stock for stock. That may be their next goal - stretching the powerband on track. It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper than redesigning everything around a peaky turbo

[Docdoc]

I heard the next gen GT86 will run on a 4 wheel system.

Docdoc

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by Docdoc

I heard the next gen GT86 will run on a 4 wheel system.

Docdoc

yes it will have 4 wheels

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by DarkPira7e

I honestly would expect a higher revving engine before a turbo one. The car is consistently shunned in light of the s2000 having a nasty powerband stock for stock. That may be their next goal - stretching the powerband on track. It'd be a hell of a lot cheaper than redesigning everything around a peaky turbo

One word - Emissions.
Oh and...
Fuel economy
Three, three words.

The 2021 mileage and emissions standards set by most of the world are incredibly aggressive (you younger guys don't even want to know what they are for 2025 forward). The higher revving an engine is the worse the emissions and mileage are. This is why smaller turboed engines have popped up in even basic cars. They are actually more efficient when driven in a "normal" manner as most of the public drive.
The dip is there because they had to to meet current standards not because the engineers were too dumb to fix it. It is also why Europe didn't get the upgrades on the 2017 ATs. If they had to make these compromises at the 2013 controls level how on earth do people think they can up the displacement and revs under the 2021 standard?
I know that people here do not give a single damn about such things but the manufacturers have to or they can't sell their cars. The FA 24 that everybody is so sure is coming to the platform is actually a really good example of this. The Ascent that it was designed for is a huge vehicle and for all intents and purposes it is a truck engine. If built 20 years ago they would have just thrown a six at it and called it a day but now they had to come up with a different option. The problem with that engine in the 86/BRZ is that they have made it very clear over the years that they will remain NA. I just don't see the FA24 meeting all the requirements in an NA form. If they do it will be so down tuned that the advantages would be lost. Subaru also like to hold onto engines for a long, long time so dumping the FA20 after just 6 years would not be their norm.
What is physically possible vs what they will be permitted to do are very different things so asking for the equivalent of a 20 year old car is just not going to happen no matter how much people would like it. The internal combustion engine is pretty much doomed within the next 30 years so be happy with what you can get now.

[PetrolioBenzina]

Originally Posted by Docdoc

I heard the next gen GT86 will run on a 4 wheel system.

Docdoc

You serious, Clark?

[mrg666]

I will keep driving my 2014 FR-S. It is awesome!

[Docdoc]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

One word - Emissions.
Oh and...
Fuel economy
Three, three words.

The 2021 mileage and emissions standards set by most of the world are incredibly aggressive (you younger guys don't even want to know what they are for 2025 forward). The higher revving an engine is the worse the emissions and mileage are. This is why smaller turboed engines have popped up in even basic cars. They are actually more efficient when driven in a "normal" manner as most of the public drive.
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I understand they are bound by emission standards, but I also know that a ICE engine is only 11-15% efficient at turning chemical energy into mechanical. There are so many more exotic engine designs on in the labs that are bringing that number up. Engineers are able today to do some very complex computer modeling and design. Even computers with complex design and AI are starting to be able to design from scratch with a given set of variables without humans involved. I don't think the ICE engine is doomed, but I do think they are finally having to brainstorm ways to make them burn the fuel cleaner, produce more power while staying lightweight and affordable to manufacture. Catalytic converters are the real hero's of reducing emissions, not capping HP and higher revs.

Docdoc

[DarkPira7e]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

One word - Emissions.
Oh and...
Fuel economy
Three, three words.

Longreasonwhyimrightlol

I get it! So it's getting a turbo?!1 GUYS HAY TCOTE CONFIRMED GUYS OVER HERR LOOK CONFIRMED 2021 TURBO FA20 BRZ DIT AWD ABS TS STI LIMITED with power sunroof.

Yeah I forgot about emissions. Honestly I'm happy enough if they just stay with the same NA fa20 and don't add power. I like building, not buying. The current car leaves a lot on the table in every direction, but is also amazing totally stock. They shouldn't have to change it, other than to keep from being stale.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Docdoc

I understand they are bound by emission standards, but I also know that a ICE engine is only 11-15% efficient at turning chemical energy into mechanical. There are so many more exotic engine designs on in the labs that are bringing that number up. Engineers are able today to do some very complex computer modeling and design. Even computers with complex design and AI are starting to be able to design from scratch with a given set of variables without humans involved. I don't think the ICE engine is doomed, but I do think they are finally having to brainstorm ways to make them burn the fuel cleaner, produce more power while staying lightweight and affordable to manufacture. Catalytic converters are the real hero's of reducing emissions, not capping HP and higher revs.

Docdoc

Yep there are loads on the drawing board but they are still caught up on some things.
Removing emissions with cats is great but they need to get to a point where there are fewer emissions to start with.

I love the PZEV badge on my wife's Impreza. "Partial zero emissions" what a nice term!