More confirmation from Toyota on next gen 86

[Jdmuscle]

This platform needs a motor that’s a bit more responsive in the mid range. All it really needs is another 30-40 more torque in the mid range. Power under the curve is what you really need to enjoy this car.

As for 2J, worse motor to put in this platform. It’ll completely negate everything this car is.

[Twinz]

Originally Posted by Jdmuscle

This platform needs a motor that’s a bit more responsive in the mid range. All it really needs is another 30-40 more torque in the mid range. Power under the curve is what you really need to enjoy this car.

As for 2J, worse motor to put in this platform. It’ll completely negate everything this car is.

I think they need at least a small bump in HP for marketing purposes, but I agree that a little more midrange torque would improve the driving experience more noticeably.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Twinz

I think they need at least a small bump in HP for marketing purposes, but I agree that a little more midrange torque would improve the driving experience more noticeably.

Marketing? They have marketing for these cars? The Edsel had better marketing than these.
Both Toyota and Subaru are like "Hey look at our line up of sedans and SUVs." "Oh and we have these if you care".

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Marketing? They have marketing for these cars? The Edsel had better marketing than these.
Both Toyota and Subaru are like "Hey look at our line up of sedans and SUVs." "Oh and we have these if you care".

At least Scion advertised the thing.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by evoto86

Que the SR20DET, what the world needs is a dirty tractor sounding engine that can handle a lot of boost reliably, the Silvia crowd pray to God for this every day and Nissan does not listen to them. They keep giving us things we don't need nor care about, Honda did a cool thing and released the Turbo Vtec Type R we always wanted to bad its Ugly. When will Toyota and Nissan actually listen.

Except Honda isn't putting old, outdated and frankly out of production motors in these cars....(like these suggestions to put a 2JZ into an 86)

Its a new Type R, with new motors, and new everything based on the new Civic.

[Sasquachulator]

Originally Posted by Yoshoobaroo

At least Scion advertised the thing.

They needed to market the hell out of these things because Scion was clearly not needed anymore after the second generation of scion products came out (First generation products were unique quirky Toyotas for a younger demographic. Second generation products just became non-Toyota Toyotas that appealed to the typical Toyota buyer.

The FRS was only given to them to try to prop up the brand.

And because of where Scion stood in the pecking order, the semi-stripped down versions they got wasn't exactly what the populace expected to get.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Except Honda isn't putting old, outdated and frankly out of production motors in these cars....(like these suggestions to put a 2JZ into an 86)

Its a new Type R, with new motors, and new everything based on the new Civic.

I do not comprehend how people can think that any old engines can still be used no matter how badly people want them. We are less than a decade away from emission requirements that if held up will all but kill any internal combustion engine as the single power source of a passenger car. Saying that companies "won't listen" (to about 1% of the purchasing public) and give them 30 year old tech is yelling at clouds. The reason we have so many small displacement turbo engines now is they are the only way that the companies can get the power they want while meeting requirements.
I have a favorite engine as well but at least understand why I will never, ever see it used again!

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by Sasquachulator

Except Honda isn't putting old, outdated and frankly out of production motors in these cars....(like these suggestions to put a 2JZ into an 86)

Its a new Type R, with new motors, and new everything based on the new Civic.

Honda is life, Honda is love. Need me a Type R.

If we want innovation, it seems Honda/Mazda are the ones to go to for Japanese cars.

[Adam_L]

How did Honda enter the equation ? 1st Gen Ridgeline = Subaru Brat on Roids ( still not a truck).

Honda cannot build a V8. The only credit I'll give them is they can build small 4 cylinder engines, that are efficient ( and lawn mowers , generators). They're more so on a efficient trajectory with their car / SUV production the last 10 years. They currently don't have a sports car ( i.e. NSX , S2K) that's under $40k. They're also playing the game ( pay us big $$ for the new NSX , or buy our inexpensive yet efficient Civic /CRZ / Accord that are $18-34k). Watch their commercials, they say something to the effect of *when you buy / drive a Honda, you're driving a car inspired by race cars* …. something to that effect. You get what you pay for , it's really that simple. If you want a solid, fast sports car, just get something German from the 2000's , that's clean , and don't over pay… but there are deals between $17-45k).

Love and life aren't mutually exclusive to a car brand/manufacture. Brotha, you need to get out of the car /house more often and take a look at how small towns operate , many people function well without a car.

[Yoshoobaroo]

Originally Posted by Adam_L

Ridgeline - still not a truck.

It has a bed, holds 1600lbs worth of shit and tows 5000lbs. It's more truck than 99% of private owners need. The bigger ones only make your penis look smaller.

Honda cannot build a V8.

What? Honda can damn well build a V8. That statement is ridiculous.

2003 3.5 L HI3R (Dallara IR03)
2004 3.5 L HI4R (Dallara IR04)
2004 3.0 L HI4R-A (Dallara IR04)
2005 3.0 L HI5R (Dallara IR05)
2006 3.0 L HI6R (Dallara IR05)
2007–10 3.5 L HI7R (Dallara IR05)
2011–12 3.5 L HI11R (Dallara IR05)
2007 3.4 L (Acura ARX-01)
2012 3.4 L (HPD ARX-03)
2009 4.0 L (Acura ARX-02)

Just because Honda doesn't see the need to develop a V8 for passenger cars doesn't mean they can't design a damn good one. It just means it's not worth it to them, especially when the NSX's V6 pumps out the same power as a 7 liter LS motor.

The only credit I'll give them is they can build small 4 cylinder engines, that are efficient ( and lawn mowers , generators). They're more so on a efficient trajectory with their car / SUV production the last 10 years. They currently don't have a sports car ( i.e. NSX , S2K) that's under $40k. They're also playing the game ( pay us big $$ for the new NSX , or buy our inexpensive yet efficient Civic /CRZ / Accord that are $18-34k). Watch their commercials, they say something to the effect of *when you buy / drive a Honda, you're driving a car inspired by race cars* …. something to that effect. You get what you pay for , it's really that simple. If you want a solid, fast sports car, just get something German from the 2000's , that's clean , and don't over pay… but there are deals between $17-45k).

Love and life aren't mutually exclusive to a car brand/manufacture. Brotha, you need to get out of the car /house more often and take a look at how small towns operate , many people function well without a car.

They do have a cheap sports car, it's just not sold outside Japan (S660)

I'm no Honda fanboi, but portraying them like a manufacturer than only builds appliances is not doing them justice.

[Stephen W.]

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[scuzzy]

Time to raise the dead . . . Per Autoblog the next gen WRX gets a 1.8L turbo engine producing 270bhp and a CVT while the STi gets and FA20 tuned to put out 315 bhp both on Subie's new global platform.

So, do we still think a next generation BRZ is coming? Do we still think it will have a new FA24 NA?

Grab a 2020 BRZ Ts while you can or wait and see what's behind door #2 . . . ?

Discuss

[Adam_L]

Honda can.. can build a V8 , but often times what I've heard (depending upon the model of car / SUV) , their V8 engines don't mate well with their transmissions, then you tend to have the tranny taking a dump early ( under 150k miles).

Their engine V8 team, isn't doing proper teamwork with the Tranny team of engineers , at least that's how it was in the late '90's early 2000's. They should just stick with I4 , or V6 … they're more efficient that way.

[86MLR]

Originally Posted by scuzzy

Time to raise the dead . . . Per Autoblog the next gen WRX gets a 1.8L turbo engine producing 270bhp and a CVT while the STi gets and FA20 tuned to put out 315 bhp both on Subie's new global platform.

So, do we still think a next generation BRZ is coming? Do we still think it will have a new FA24 NA?

Grab a 2020 BRZ Ts while you can or wait and see what's behind door #2 . . . ?

Discuss

I've had my ear to the ground, not looking that good.

I bit the bullet and am getting a AVO kit installed on my 17, should keep me happy for a few years, hopefully the dust has settled by 2022.

What's the bet it's a hybrid, which, acceleration wise, might not be all that bad.