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Old 01-31-2019, 08:09 PM   #57
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93 unless I find non ethanol gas then I use it, I've never seen it over 91.
Ethanol is good for high compression engines. It burns cooler and reduces knock. I wouldn't put 91 non-ethanol unless I was storing the car for winter/extended period of time. People with only 91 can safely mix 2-3 gallons of E85 to increase the octane.

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Old 01-31-2019, 08:11 PM   #58
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Have you ever tried Jet fuel? Can't hardly keep the car on the ground it goes so fast!!
I'll let you guys in on a little secret. Jet fuel is just Kerosene, slightly more refined, and has the shit taxed out of it. I'm pretty sure a cheap turbine with looser tolerances could run on straight kerosene... If you can keep it on the ground you'll never have to worry about falling out of the sky.

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I'll let you guys in on a little secret. Jet fuel is just Kerosene, slightly more refined, and has the shit taxed out of it. I'm pretty sure a cheap turbine with looser tolerances could run on straight kerosene... If you can keep it on the ground you'll never have to worry about falling out of the sky.

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I'll let you guys in on a little secret. Jet fuel is just Kerosene, slightly more refined, and has the shit taxed out of it. I'm pretty sure a cheap turbine with looser tolerances could run on straight kerosene... If you can keep it on the ground you'll never have to worry about falling out of the sky.

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I'll let you guys in on a little secret. Jet fuel is just Kerosene, slightly more refined, and has the shit taxed out of it. I'm pretty sure a cheap turbine with looser tolerances could run on straight kerosene... If you can keep it on the ground you'll never have to worry about falling out of the sky.

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CA mandates 91 octane as minimum for premium. It's up to the market to offer whatever that meets that spec (and usually the market will only offer the minimum spec).
I don't think that's true. I drive all over Florida. The statutory minimum here is 91. All top tier stations sell 93, and it's rare to find an off-brand that doesn't have it. I suspect it's the same in most states where there's a statutory minimum. I also frequently drive in several states that have no statutory minimum, and I have no problem finding 93 there either. If the market usually moves to the minimum octane, these states should be offering 90 or 91 and calling it premium. They don't.

California gets 91 because your idiot government banned certain octane boosters, making 93 more expensive to produce. Meanwhile, most of your gas comes from a single pipeline owned by Kinder Morgan, which colluded with the distributors to provide only 91 at the lower cost and stop shipping higher octane gas. If there were competition offering 93, Kinder Morgan would have to offer it also to compete. Lucky them that they don't have to.

In Florida we don't have your regulatory overreach, so the cost to produce 93 wasn't unnaturally raised for our suppliers. And our gas arrives by ship into multiple ports from a variety of suppliers rather than just one effective monopoly. Out here in America we still have competition, so most stations provide 93 to compete.

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I'll let you guys in on a little secret. Jet fuel is just Kerosene, slightly more refined, and has the shit taxed out of it. I'm pretty sure a cheap turbine with looser tolerances could run on straight kerosene... If you can keep it on the ground you'll never have to worry about falling out of the sky.

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Nobody has mentioned the ‘chirping’ people were getting from the twins when using ethanol fuel. Maybe they have since fixed that problem.

I went out of my way to find a gas station with premium (92) non-ethanol fuel specifically to avoid this. Had to get a special gas card to use the station. All the cops in my county use that gas station, lulz

Never had any issues or chirping in the 6 years I’ve had the car! Woo!

Value spring issue though... time to trade up for a Subaru!
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Nobody has mentioned the ‘chirping’ people were getting from the twins when using ethanol fuel. Maybe they have since fixed that problem.

I went out of my way to find a gas station with premium (92) non-ethanol fuel specifically to avoid this. Had to get a special gas card to use the station. All the cops in my county use that gas station, lulz

Never had any issues or chirping in the 6 years I’ve had the car! Woo!

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Holy hell. I never got worse the 17mpg on e85. And that was the first tank where I smashed the throttle everywhere. (Not counting on track lol)
What can I say, I like the tach needle to be erect. Plus, burning it up as quickly as possible keeps it fresh.
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What can I say, I like the tach needle to be erect.
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I don't think that's true. I drive all over Florida. The statutory minimum here is 91. All top tier stations sell 93, and it's rare to find an off-brand that doesn't have it. I suspect it's the same in most states where there's a statutory minimum. I also frequently drive in several states that have no statutory minimum, and I have no problem finding 93 there either. If the market usually moves to the minimum octane, these states should be offering 90 or 91 and calling it premium. They don't.

California gets 91 because your idiot government banned certain octane boosters, making 93 more expensive to produce. Meanwhile, most of your gas comes from a single pipeline owned by Kinder Morgan, which colluded with the distributors to provide only 91 at the lower cost and stop shipping higher octane gas. If there were competition offering 93, Kinder Morgan would have to offer it also to compete. Lucky them that they don't have to.

In Florida we don't have your regulatory overreach, so the cost to produce 93 wasn't unnaturally raised for our suppliers. And our gas arrives by ship into multiple ports from a variety of suppliers rather than just one effective monopoly. Out here in America we still have competition, so most stations provide 93 to compete.
Is it the same for Arizon and Nevada? Cuz they got the same 91
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