Terrible Resale Value?

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I had never heard of nor had any clue than an AE86 existed until I read the history on this very forum. No idea. None. Never heard of it.

Same. I don't recall ever seeing one and TBH I'd probably just disregard it as a grocery getter anyways. I fail to see the attraction

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

I had never heard of nor had any clue than an AE86 existed until I read the history on this very forum. No idea. None. Never heard of it.

I'm even further removed from the AE86 than Tcoat is .....


humfrz

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

Same. I don't recall ever seeing one and TBH I'd probably just disregard it as a grocery getter anyways. I fail to see the attraction

No doubt it was a great little car in the era but much of it's fame in North America now is directly related to the show which makes it seem like a super car. It may come as a shock to the younger guys but virtually nobody in the 80s watched any Japanese racing much less anime. First off, before the widespread availability of satellite no stations carried them and nobody really cared. Secondly the Japanese cars were still getting a foothold in North America and any performance versions were pretty rare. I can not speak to the popularity of it elsewhere back in the 80s.

EDIT: Before I get hate mail I want to be perfectly clear that I am in no way belittling, insulting, ragging on, or in any other way attempting to condemn people's interest in the car nor anime. I was simply saying how it was.

[new2subaru]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

No doubt it was a great little car in the era but much of it's fame in North America now is directly related to the show which makes it seem like a super car. It may come as a shock to the younger guys but virtually nobody in the 80s watched any Japanese racing much less anime. First off, before the widespread availability of satellite no stations carried them and nobody really cared. Secondly the Japanese cars were still getting a foothold in North America and any performance versions were pretty rare. I can not speak to the popularity of it elsewhere back in the 80s.

I drove a RX7 in the 80's and I've still never heard of it...I thought the new wave of Japanese cars was the newest greatest thing! British cars did nothing for me. They were well known to be unreliable.

I didn't watch any of the things you mentioned either. I must have been too busy driving! TV was VERY boring back then...It's not any better now lol

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by new2subaru

I drove a RX7 in the 80's and I've still never heard of it...I thought the new wave of Japanese cars was the newest greatest thing! British cars did nothing for me. They were well known to be unreliable.

I didn't watch any of the things you mentioned either. I must have been too busy driving! TV was VERY boring back then...It's not any better now lol

Well the only anime on network TV back then was at lunch time and it was really very bad!

[fatoni]

The old corolla was a giant pos. I mean, it was fun and had some endearing qualities. I loved mine and it made sense when you need a sporty rwd car to take to the track on a budget of 3k. Now that the car alone cost more than that, it sucks.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

instantly put the driver in the position of underdog having to rely entirely on his own skill. This is a common theme in manga. Our hero starts with inferior equipment but perseveres and overcomes its limitations.

Exactly, my point. The ae86 wasn't anything special on paper, and neither is the BRZ/gt86. There are plenty of faster cars available with a lot more technology behind them. Hell even modern midsize sedans can outperform the gt86 in a lot of metrics. Many car enthusiasts can't comprehend why someone would buy a BRZ when they could have a WRX for the same price. With an unskilled driver the 86 is no better than most other hand-me-down cars (think of how many teenagers are gifted v6 mustangs). But with an exceptional driver it has the potential to compete with more powerful cars.

Both cars strip driving down to the basics and let the driver determine the outcome.

[ls1ac]

I too never had heard of 86, but did have a Datsun B210. It was fun.

[Jordanwolf]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

What's to feel? It's a kei car. It's not even meant for you.

Can you even buy one in Canada? We can buy the Beat in the US, but the S660 won't be legal here until 2040.

Words are much too literal for you lol.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

Exactly, my point. The ae86 wasn't anything special on paper, and neither is the BRZ/gt86.

That's not really true, but even if it were, it wouldn't matter. It still doesn't draw any relationship between them. They weren't designed for the same purpose, don't really share handling characteristics, have considerably different power train designs, look nothing alike and weren't even built by the same company.

The proof of how little alike they are goes right back to Initial D. Nobody would ever consider the current 86 as a shop car for tofu delivery. They certainly weren't selling the Corolla as a track car back when I was a teenager.

[funwheeldrive]

Originally Posted by extrashaky

The proof of how little alike they are goes right back to Initial D. Nobody would ever consider the current 86 as a shop car for tofu delivery. They certainly weren't selling the Corolla as a track car back when I was a teenager.

The funny part is that I bet the original ae86 was closer in performance to more expensive cars from that time (300zx, Mustang, Camaro). These days the Camaro and Mustang blow our cars out of the water when it comes to track times and acceleration.

You keep making it sound like the gt86 is different because it's a dedicated sports car, yet it would lose an uphill race to a soccer mom's Camry. They are both underdog cars, that cost almost the same price, similar layouts, same driving dynamics, and designed(exterior) by the same company. No, Toyota didn't actually make the car, but Subaru would have never made it either without Toyota's vision for an affordable, tuner friendly daily driver.

I'm not saying the car is a carbon copy of the original ae86, but it's not like Toyota took the fwd CHR and branded it with the 86 badge. They took the idea of a car from the past, and improved on it and made it relevant for today's market. I feel like that's a pretty rare feat these days.

[extrashaky]

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

You keep making it sound like the gt86 is different because it's a dedicated sports car, yet it would lose an uphill race to a soccer mom's Camry.

That statement right there is a perfect demonstration that you have no idea what you're talking about. There's a lot more to a sports car than straight line acceleration. A Grand Cherokee SRT can go 0-60 in under four seconds and has a top speed of 180 MPH, yet nobody tries to claim it's a sports car.

Originally Posted by funwheeldrive

They took the idea of a car from the past...

But it wasn't the AE86. That's just marketing nonsense for people who are easily influenced.

[fatoni]

i think the premise that the ae86 was inferior is off base. by todays standards its trash but at the time, it cost more than a mustang gt. it wasnt a cheap car and it did well performance wise. a 1.6 liter making 110-130 hp while that cheaper mustang was making 210 out of a 5.0 was pretty impressive. i think the philosophy of the two cars is very much in line. i dont know how many people in this thread have actually owned both but i can see the dna.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by fatoni

i think the premise that the ae86 was inferior is off base. by todays standards its trash but at the time, it cost more than a mustang gt. it wasnt a cheap car and it did well performance wise. a 1.6 liter making 110-130 hp while that cheaper mustang was making 210 out of a 5.0 was pretty impressive. i think the philosophy of the two cars is very much in line. i dont know how many people in this thread have actually owned both but i can see the dna.

No doubt the performance versions of the AE86 were pretty scarce but so were the performance versions of the Mustang. When comparing the two it has to be remembered that most people's exposure back then would be the far, far more common base models. As I have said before I know nothing of the AE but have little doubt that the base model would have blown the doors off the base Mustang in all aspects of performance. The base and intermediate models of the Foxbody Mustang sucked so bad that they almost killed the model for good.