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Calum · 01-14-2016, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jdmblood

Saw this picture on tumblr and wondered if there was anymore info on this build. Seems interesting but I wonder why you wouldn't just buy an s2000

Shoulder room? I don't fit well in an s2000, but I do fit in a twin.

CSG Mike · 01-14-2016, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by jdmblood

I only found those two pictures. Unless you got the brz chassis for extremely cheap, I dont see why you wouldnt just buy an s2000 or swap an ls instead.

Because the BRZ chassis is superior.

CSG Mike · 01-14-2016, 04:23 PM

More than anything I'm wondering what they did to get the engine to sit that low.

It's not the first time it's been done, and I may have been involved in a few projects, but the engine is particularly tall, and didn't fit well in the engine bay.

Calum · 01-14-2016, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

More than anything I'm wondering what they did to get the engine to sit that low.

It's not the first time it's been done, and I may have been involved in a few projects, but the engine is particularly tall, and didn't fit well in the engine bay.

Does the F20C normally sit at the angle?

jdmblood · 01-14-2016, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Calum

Does the F20C normally sit at the angle?

yea kind of

CSG Mike · 01-14-2016, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Calum

Does the F20C normally sit at the angle?

Yes; it doesn't fit "straight" in a s2k either

jdmblood · 01-14-2016, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Yes; it doesn't fit "straight" in a s2k either

You can also fit the f series motor for fwd correct?

Theres a guy who shows up to car meets in an ek coupe with an s2k dash but he wont pop the hood!!!

KR-S · 01-14-2016, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jdmblood

You can also fit the f series motor for fwd correct?

Theres a guy who shows up to car meets in an ek coupe with an s2k dash but he wont pop the hood!!!

It's been done. Someone even managed to fit a 13B rotary under the hood of an FWD Civic.

This might not be a good example, but here it is anyway:

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XIyS4vTch8"]Nyce1s.com - Jake Gavio's F2K Civic @ Honda Day Atco 2011!!! - YouTube[/ame]

CSG Mike · 01-14-2016, 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by jdmblood

You can also fit the f series motor for fwd correct?

Theres a guy who shows up to car meets in an ek coupe with an s2k dash but he wont pop the hood!!!

You *can* but it's not cheap or easy.

hmong337 · 01-14-2016, 09:50 PM

This is a "I did it because I can" type swap. Still believe this car should've came with some sort of inline engine...

seito23 · 01-14-2016, 11:02 PM

FRS with a vvt-I engine from their line-up. I would test drive it.

ZDan · 01-15-2016, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Because the BRZ chassis is superior.

How so? It might be stiffer, but the S2000 offers better weight distribution (49/51 vs. 53/47) and double-wishbones. Not that I have anything against struts, I don't, but double-wishbones do have the advantage of not requiring as much static camber. Weight distribution isn't a big deal at stock power levels, but with additional power, more rearward c.g. becomes more of an advantage.

I'm not a fan of the AP1's rear toe change with bump, but that can be addressed...

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Originally Posted by CSG Mike

More than anything I'm wondering what they did to get the engine to sit that low.
It's not the first time it's been done, and I may have been involved in a few projects, but the engine is particularly tall, and didn't fit well in the engine bay.

Interesting, as the hoodline of the FR-S/BRZ is a lot higher than the S2000's. S2000 hoodline is barely above the tops of its 25" tires. I would have expected an S2000 engine to have more headroom in a twin than in its original home.

I would LOVE to have a twin with F20C/F22C power...

Spartarus · 01-15-2016, 08:49 AM

This is the swap forum, so I won't bother to address all the issues you raised in that post, thought it pains me not to do so.

But the hoodline / headspace question you raised is valid, and here is the answer. The twins have the thick, tall front crossmember basically straight on the axle line, and steering rack immediately behind it. Any engine in there must sit atop those 2 pieces.

In the s2k, the steering rack, and the main body of the crossmember are in front of the motor. That enables the engine to sit much lower.

CSG Mike · 01-15-2016, 11:27 AM

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Originally Posted by ZDan

How so? It might be stiffer, but the S2000 offers better weight distribution (49/51 vs. 53/47) and double-wishbones. Not that I have anything against struts, I don't, but double-wishbones do have the advantage of not requiring as much static camber. Weight distribution isn't a big deal at stock power levels, but with additional power, more rearward c.g. becomes more of an advantage.

We both know weight distribution means little beyond marketing, and as you drop weight in the S2000, it becomes much more nose heavy...

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CSG Mike Join Date: Jul 2012 Drives: S2000 CR Location: Orange County Posts: 14,530 Thanks: 8,920 Thanked 14,177 Times in 6,835 Posts Mentioned: 966 Post(s) Tagged: 14 Thread(s)	More than anything I'm wondering what they did to get the engine to sit that low. It's not the first time it's been done, and I may have been involved in a few projects, but the engine is particularly tall, and didn't fit well in the engine bay.

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