Twin vs BMW m240i

[tennisfreak]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

Well that's absolutely false. Sure, you can't fold down a rear seat to double the size of your trunk (a la BRZ) but the Cayman comes with 2 rather large trunks of it's own. Between it's two trunks you've got around 15 cubic feet of cargo room. The BRZ has 7 in it's trunk (before you fold down the seats - I dunno the volume then). My 987 will swallow 2 softbag sets of golf clubs in it's rear trunk, and have room to spare in the frunk - plenty of space for luggage for 2.

Outside of a Corvette, no other 2 seat sports car has anywhere near as much cargo hauling capability.

I completely disagree with you.

You cannot get a good sized golf bag in the back of the cayman at all. I tried.

The front is a small cubby hold you might be able to get 2-3 grocery bags in.

And there is absolutely no back seat.

There is quite a bit more storage space in an FR-S or many other sports cars (except a 370Z).

[deejaylew]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

I mean, yeah man...I mentioned that

lol, I just wanted to clarify that we weren't going to try to equate the BRZ and Cayman as being nearly identical in terms of practicality. I may have read what you wrote incorrectly.

[deejaylew]

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

I completely disagree with you.

You cannot get a good sized golf bag in the back of the cayman at all. I tried.

The front is a small cubby hold you might be able to get 2-3 grocery bags in.

And there is absolutely no back seat.

There is quite a bit more storage space in an FR-S or many other sports cars (except a 370Z).

I don't get it, from that picture I don't even understand how you use the area in the back for storage?

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

I'm not sure if you meant M models were more reliable or less. However, they're definitely NOT more reliable. There hasn't been an M model built in the last 15 years that hasn't had an expensive engine flaw (Can't include latest M cars into that category yet because they're not old enough).



Well that's absolutely false. Sure, you can't fold down a rear seat to double the size of your trunk (a la BRZ) but the Cayman comes with 2 rather large trunks of it's own. Between it's two trunks you've got around 15 cubic feet of cargo room. The BRZ has 7 in it's trunk (before you fold down the seats - I dunno the volume then). My 987 will swallow 2 softbag sets of golf clubs in it's rear trunk, and have room to spare in the frunk - plenty of space for luggage for 2.

Outside of a Corvette, no other 2 seat sports car has anywhere near as much cargo hauling capability.

As with most cars of this type the design criteria is almost guaranteed to include the ability to hold two sets of golf clubs. The cars and the golf hobby seem to go hand in hand. I seem to recall that the Cayman includes this specific ability being right in the marketing materials. I know it is in the FRS design requirements and marketing.

[WolfpackS2k]

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

I completely disagree with you.

You cannot get a good sized golf bag in the back of the cayman at all. I tried.

There is quite a bit more storage space in an FR-S or many other sports cars (except a 370Z).

Notice how I said 987, which is what most people compare against a Twin (for cost reasons). And then you post a 981. IMO there's less cargo room in a 981 (than 987) but Google says it's still 15 cubic feet.

Nonetheless, I completely stand by my comments WRT to the Cayman I've been talking about the whole time, the 987.


That's a 48 quart cooler. And there's still room above it for a soft bag. Also worth mentioning that since my car doesn't have Nav, a good portion of that black plastic cladding is hollow underneath.


But will the trunk close...?


Yup, quite easily.

And just for sh*ts and giggles:



For safety reasons I definitely would not recommend doing that.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by WolfpackS2k

And just for sh*ts and giggles:



For safety reasons I definitely would not recommend doing that.

And for law enforcement reasons. You do not want the bodies in your trunk to be visible! Take my word for it!

[Lynxis]

Originally Posted by tennisfreak

You can do a lot with 20k no doubt. Maybe I should get a premium and do more mods myself.

I'm pretty mixed on this comment. The modder in me completely supports this but the collector says maybe not.

If you go the premium route like I did, you can put everything you really want on the car yourself and end up with way more car for your money and customize the car to your taste. 2K for adjustable coilovers, 2k for nice wheels and tires, 2k for a BBK and 2k for the aero bits and you've got tons of options within that range and still come in well under a tS. I especially suggest this if you're the type to drive the car for it's life time because it will become a part of you.

The collector in me however says that a tS with E-Force is a really nice package that will retain a powertrain warranty and it's exclusivity for several years. I'd lean this way if you're the type to only keep it 3-5 years tops and don't want to be messing with it too much while you own it or plan to garage queen it down the road because it might be worth something to a collector in several years when they don't make them anymore.

[exE36M3]

OR you could buy a 2014 or 2015 M235i for about $25k
OR the 2014/2015 228i MSport for around $20k.

$25k buys A LOT of used car these days.

[EAGLE5]

It used to be that you didn't buy a 7 series BMW used because they fell apart. Now that applies to all BMWs, even the 2 and 3 series. Great to drive, sucky to own.

The truck has been in the shop for a week, so I've been driving the FRS. It's a true joy to drive. It just goads you to go faster, and then you're going 65mph, OMFG! So mechanical. Feeling the weight transfer. It's like Porsche but slower. The Miata? I can't sit comfortably in one. It's just 10% too small. Elise? 20% too small. A BMW? Usually a bit sloppy and numb. The E90 BMWs are a joy, but they're half-way disposable and filled with expensive electronics that fail and engines that leak. Then again, my FR-S is leaking right now. I should check it out, really, but... effort. I bet it's the oil cooler.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Lynxis

I'm pretty mixed on this comment. The modder in me completely supports this but the collector says maybe not.
...
The collector in me however says that a tS with E-Force is a really nice package that will retain a powertrain warranty and it's exclusivity for several years. I'd lean this way if you're the type to only keep it 3-5 years tops and don't want to be messing with it too much while you own it or plan to garage queen it down the road because it might be worth something to a collector in several years when they don't make them anymore.

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the collector value of the tS is gonna be pretty much negligible and will never ever make up for the cost of the initial investment, nevermind the foregone value of investing those $$$$$ in something that will appreciate rather than depreciate.

And anyway, for full "collector" value, you would want to keep it stock I would think.

And is full factory warranty really possible with an aftermarket electric supercharger?

tS seems like a particularly bad choice if mods are being done...

[tennisfreak]

Originally Posted by ZDan

And is full factory warranty really possible with an aftermarket electric supercharger?

I think he was referring to the Edelbrock Supercharger which, if installed by an authorized installer, gives you a 36k mile warranty.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by ZDan

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that the collector value of the tS is gonna be pretty much negligible and will never ever make up for the cost of the initial investment, nevermind the foregone value of investing those $$$$$ in something that will appreciate rather than depreciate.

And anyway, for full "collector" value, you would want to keep it stock I would think.

And is full factory warranty really possible with an aftermarket electric supercharger?

tS seems like a particularly bad choice if mods are being done...

Keep it stock and never, ever, ever, drive it. Even then it is extremely hit and miss what actually becomes a "collector" car with any value at all. Rarity does not automatically make it collectable nor raise the value.

[tennisfreak]

Whatever car I buy I will drive the shit out of it

I'm buying to take have fun in not to look at it, LOL.

[Lynxis]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Keep it stock and never, ever, ever, drive it. Even then it is extremely hit and miss what actually becomes a "collector" car with any value at all. Rarity does not automatically make it collectable nor raise the value.

I added lots of stipulations to the collectable thing. That said, have you seen what bugeye WRX's go for these days even if it was completely molested? You'll never find a clean one. A lot of these cars are now climbing in value.