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Old 09-11-2018, 10:15 PM   #29
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Just curious. On the auto lets say you come out of a 2nd gear turn and then run through 2nd and part of 3rd and then come up to a braking zone, when you first lift does the tranny instantly upshift to 4th until you get on the brakes or when you lift will it hold 3rd and start engine braking? I guess if your in manual mode it would hold the gear and if your on track you're always going to be in manual mode. Sometimes on the streets when in auto mode you can run into scenarios where you want engine braking rather than an upshift upshift. For example you try to overtake someone on the interstate so you downshift while popping into the other lane but then find out the traffic is slowing in the other lane so you lift. I wouldn't want it to upshift when I lift, I would want it to hold the gear and start engine braking while I am moving my foot to the brake. How does the AT handle this when in auto mode? For me this is where AT has typically annoyed me the most. That sensation of lifting but the car just wanting to keep going forward gives it a disconnected feeling.

In Manual mode you have full control, you could bounce off the limiter all day in each gear if you wanted to. If you start spam downshifting however it won't go to a gear that will over-rev and will wait a second till you drop speed and rpm.


In Sport mode you get that scenario where you gain engine braking rather than an upshift, more so with a tune. You can always grab the paddle out of manual mode before you come to a corner or scenario where you want engine braking and it will hold that gear.
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Old 09-11-2018, 11:32 PM   #30
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I just mentioned it, the butthurt came form someone else. LOL at the clowns who sneer at and seem threatened by someone else who dares to have the same fun in an AT. I've driven and owned both, and I miss the AT for what it was. Odd that you never hear the AT crowd denigrate the MT crowd. Seems some MT drivers have something to prove!

Let the butthurt flow.


No butthurt here. I also didn’t denigrate anyone. I just found it comical to suggest that there isn’t any extra driver involvement on a manual. It’s that extra involvement that some of us enjoy. But you are delusional if you think the AT crowed doesn’t ram the AT down our throat and throw insults about how we are ignorant for wanting outdated technology.

If I understand correctly you currently own an MT Twin but wish you still had the AT? If so, why? Convenience?
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Drive one and tell us your thoughts.


One of these days I need to out of curiosity. Can’t see myself jumping ship but just to see how smart it is. Regardless of how smart it is it’s always going to get it wrong from time to time which I suspect would get on my nerves quick. Sure there is manual mode but if your driving around in manual mode all the time then you may as well get a MT. In a perfect world it would be nice to have a true manual with three pedals that could be shifted automatically in those rare cases where you want to be lazy. The old BMW SMG was a true manual box that was driven automatically but didn’t have the third pedal or shifter for manual operation.
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I can`t quote you for some reason @ermax

You should try one and make sure you drive it hard, preferably on a track, if you get a chance.

I'd like to hear your thoughts.
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I can`t quote you for some reason @ermax

You should try one and make sure you drive it hard, preferably on a track, if you get a chance.

I'd like to hear your thoughts.
When you going to let me drive your car huh? :p
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Nowadays modern AT's are smart enough to hold gears as required during high G situations.
I was not aware the car was this "smart." The first time it did this, I was coming into a freeway loop fairly fast and cornering hard in sport mode, expecting it to upshift. It didn't and the roar at redline scared the hell out of me and the adjacent car.

I use Manual Mode now if I'm doing anything but crawling in traffic.
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I was not aware the car was this "smart." The first time it did this, I was coming into a freeway loop fairly fast and cornering hard in sport mode, expecting it to upshift. It didn't and the roar at redline scared the hell out of me and the adjacent car.

I use Manual Mode now if I'm doing anything but crawling in traffic.


It is "smart". A few days ago, mine downshifted to help in aggressive braking while in Sport mode, It startled me! I almost never drive in sport mode though.
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One of these days I need to out of curiosity. Can’t see myself jumping ship but just to see how smart it is. Regardless of how smart it is it’s always going to get it wrong from time to time which I suspect would get on my nerves quick. Sure there is manual mode but if your driving around in manual mode all the time then you may as well get a MT. In a perfect world it would be nice to have a true manual with three pedals that could be shifted automatically in those rare cases where you want to be lazy. The old BMW SMG was a true manual box that was driven automatically but didn’t have the third pedal or shifter for manual operation.
You can skip the AT. It's pretty boring to drive. First twin I test drove was an AT (all that was available) and i put the thought of owning a twin out of my mind for a couple years. The AT was not a great feeling and I thought the car was incredulously slow. Being paired to the AT didn't help the speed thing, but....it was not the car I thought it would be at first drive.
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You can skip the AT. It's pretty boring to drive. First twin I test drove was an AT (all that was available) and i put the thought of owning a twin out of my mind for a couple years. The AT was not a great feeling and I thought the car was incredulously slow. Being paired to the AT didn't help the speed thing, but....it was not the car I thought it would be at first drive.
Same thing with a GTR, 488, Huracan, etc. Nothing beats a manual trans. Civic or Camry.
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When you going to let me drive your car huh? :p

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Same thing with a GTR, 488, Huracan, etc. Nothing beats a manual trans. Civic or Camry.


I have a friend who owned a GTR and got bored of it not having a MT. He has a BMW F80 now with MT.
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You may be misinterpreting the purpose of manual mode
Yeah, I'm really confused by your comments on this. Keeping it in normal auto mode all the time is a little boring. With a car like this, why not have a little fun, even outside the racetrack?

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there is a gear indicator in drive only when you hit the paddles you knob. Why else would you need to know what gear its in
Well you don't need to know what gear it's in when in M either, do you? But I like to know, and I would like to know in D. Sometimes when in D I switch it to M and back just to see what gear it's in.

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In "manual mode" I personally felt as if it was the worst of both worlds for normal city driving. The paddles are on the wheel after all. In mid-corners they're never where I left them.
Yeah, I actually use the stick more often, it's just much easier to say or google "paddles" than "the stick for manual shift mode on an AT." I never try using the paddles when turning.

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I just found it comical to suggest that there isn’t any extra driver involvement on a manual.
I don't think he said that. He said "Ignore any 'driver involvement' remarks," which I interpreted as "The extra driver involvement on a manual is overrated."

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Sure there is manual mode but if your driving around in manual mode all the time then you may as well get a MT.
Maybe this changes with experience, but for a beginner, a MT is way the hell harder to shift than just flicking a stick or paddle.

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In a perfect world it would be nice to have a true manual with three pedals that could be shifted automatically in those rare cases where you want to be lazy.
Yeah, like the Back to the Future DeLorean. Not sure if we actually see Marty shift or it's just implied, but we definitely see the clutch pedal at one point, yet the Doc drives it via remote control. I think the FR-S semi-automatic transmission is about as close as we're going to get to that for a while.
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Yeah, I'm really confused by your comments on this. Keeping it in normal auto mode all the time is a little boring. With a car like this, why not have a little fun, even outside the racetrack?



Well you don't need to know what gear it's in when in M either, do you? But I like to know, and I would like to know in D. Sometimes when in D I switch it to M and back just to see what gear it's in.



Yeah, I actually use the stick more often, it's just much easier to say or google "paddles" than "the stick for manual shift mode on an AT." I never try using the paddles when turning.



I don't think he said that. He said "Ignore any 'driver involvement' remarks," which I interpreted as "The extra driver involvement on a manual is overrated."



Maybe this changes with experience, but for a beginner, a MT is way the hell harder to shift than just flicking a stick or paddle.



Yeah, like the Back to the Future DeLorean. Not sure if we actually see Marty shift or it's just implied, but we definitely see the clutch pedal at one point, yet the Doc drives it via remote control. I think the FR-S semi-automatic transmission is about as close as we're going to get to that for a while.
YIKES, Johnny Horsepower, we have posted several pages addressing your questions about how to shift a car with an automatic transmission and you still appear to be confused.


I suggest you just put that sucker in "D" and enjoy the handling of the car.




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Yeah, I'm really confused by your comments on this. Keeping it in normal auto mode all the time is a little boring. With a car like this, why not have a little fun, even outside the racetrack?

Well you don't need to know what gear it's in when in M either, do you? But I like to know, and I would like to know in D. Sometimes when in D I switch it to M and back just to see what gear it's in.

Yeah, I actually use the stick more often, it's just much easier to say or google "paddles" than "the stick for manual shift mode on an AT." I never try using the paddles when turning.

If you don't understand what I meant and what others meant with their comments you have no hope with this car or this forum

Yeah, I'm really confused by your comments on this. Keeping it in normal auto mode all the time is a little boring. With a car like this, why not have a little fun, even outside the racetrack?

Did you not read my entire post? Or even anyone elses? You don't need to keep it in manual mode all the time, otherwise what was the purpose of buying the auto? If you're highway cruising from point a to b and just want to relax you keep it in auto. If you want to have fun then switch it to manual mode end of story and that's all I was trying to get at. Never ever said it was track specific either


Well you don't need to know what gear it's in when in M either, do you? But I like to know, and I would like to know in D. Sometimes when in D I switch it to M and back just to see what gear it's in.

Are you inept? Or just don't understand cars in general? Of course you NEED to know what gear you're in in manual mode because it help you shift and lets you know how much you can downshift pre-emptively. Honestly, What purpose does it serve to know what gear you're in in D? Unless its in sport mode it's always going to go to the highest possible gear unless you floor it for efficiency. Also you gain nothing in sport mode that you don't already get by switching to manual mode.


Yeah, I actually use the stick more often, it's just much easier to say or google "paddles" than "the stick for manual shift mode on an AT." I never try using the paddles when turning.

If you're keep your hands at 9 and 3 on a track or autox even the paddles are always going to be left hand for down and right hand for up. You also should select the gear and speed you want before the corner, mostly because this transmission isn't a "semi-auto" like a PDK or DSG trans, its a simple torque converter auto.
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