NorCal (Bay Area) OFF-TOPIC Chat Thread

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

How about recently? The reviews I read said in the past year or two is when the gelling issue started.

I just put a bunch in my boat 45gal tank last October with a tank of 91. Now I have to take it out and see.

I have had boats and stored cars with success over the last 30 years with Sta-bil.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

I just put a bunch in my boat 45gal tank last October with a tank of 91. Now I have to take it out and see.

I have had boats and stored cars with success over the last 30 years with Sta-bil.

Wait, I'm assuming you used the marine one in the boat? For some reason that formula doesn't gel up like the automotive one????

[Sapphireho]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

Wait, I'm assuming you used the marine one in the boat? For some reason that formula doesn't gel up like the automotive one????

I have used the marine stuff before, but most of the time I just use the regular sta-bil. I use it in my boat, and my golf cart at the lake. I have never had a problem. Things have always started right up.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Sapphireho

I have used the marine stuff before, but most of the time I just use the regular sta-bil. I use it in my boat, and my golf cart at the lake. I have never had a problem. Things have always started right up.

I'll try to read up on it some more and try to figure out why a lot of people had gelling issues. Cuz I do want some type of FS in the tank.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

The more empty a tank is, the more condensation can occur. So that would actually be worse for me.

The modern evap systems do not collect moisture so there is nothing to condense. Once the cap is on the only moisture to evaporate is what is already in the tank and that will be such a small amount it would be impossible to even measure. There is no new air being introduced to the system to allow more moisture in. Half tank will be no issue at all.

[bcj]

Point of order.
What replaces the volume as fuel is used, causing the gauge go down?
Perhaps it's phlogiston. I'm not up to date on these modern thingummys.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

The modern evap systems do not collect moisture so there is nothing to condense. Once the cap is on the only moisture to evaporate is what is already in the tank and that will be such a small amount it would be impossible to even measure. There is no new air being introduced to the system to allow more moisture in. Half tank will be no issue at all.

If that's the case, then there should be nothing I need to worry about, aside from the fuel degrading???

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by Kaotic Lazagna

If that's the case, then there should be nothing I need to worry about, aside from the fuel degrading???

Even the fuel will take a lot longer to degrade. Should be OK for months. You may just want to add a bit of octane booster before running it hard.
Much of the concerns about storing vehicle with fuel in them come from the old open air vented system that would let moist air in and fuel would evaporate out leaving additives and such behind in much higher quantiles that they should be. The closed loop evap systems stop both these things (or at least slow them down so much they may as well be stopped) from being a problem. As long as you are not leaving the car for years you will be fine.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by bcj

Point of order.
What replaces the volume as fuel is used, causing the gauge go down?
Perhaps it's phlogiston. I'm not up to date on these modern thingummys.

Filtered air is brought in through the canister under pressure.
In other words the fuel system sucks.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

Even the fuel will take a lot longer to degrade. Should be OK for months. You may just want to add a bit of octane booster before running it hard.
Much of the concerns about storing vehicle with fuel in them come from the old open air vented system that would let moist air in and fuel would evaporate out leaving additives and such behind in much higher quantiles that they should be. The closed loop evap systems stop both these things (or at least slow them down so much they may as well be stopped) from being a problem. As long as you are not leaving the car for years you will be fine.

I'll either get some of this:

https://www.amsoil.com/shop/by-produ...?code=AOBBE-EA

or, just gently drive the car and use up the gas again before filling up and driving hard.

Thanks for the clarification and explanation of modern cars' fuel systems.

[bcj]

Yeeeeaahhh ... the evap system prevents gasoline vapors or other gases from escaping the loop.
However, it does draw in ambient atmosphere when fuel is drawn from the tank.
H20 comes in with it however much that it doesn't go back out even harder.
There's no dry nitrogen or argon doing anything here.
That'd be more like having to add blue pee to your diesel systems to keep it running.

Observe that there is no venting in the spiffy diagram.
That would implode the gas tank by the time you used a 1/4 of the fuel.

Aircraft mfg. would be all over it if they could make it work reliably.
Still have to cup the lowest point of the fuel system to check for water before flight.

[Kaotic Lazagna]

Originally Posted by bcj

Yeeeeaahhh ... the evap system prevents gasoline vapors or other gases from escaping the loop.
However, it does draw in ambient atmosphere when fuel is drawn from the tank.
H20 comes in with it however much that it doesn't go back out even harder.
There's no dry nitrogen or argon doing anything here.
That'd be more like having to add blue pee to your diesel systems to keep it running.

Observe that there is no venting in the spiffy diagram.
That would implode the gas tank by the time you used a 1/4 of the fuel.

Aircraft mfg. would be all over it if they could make it work reliably.
Still have to cup the lowest point of the fuel system to check for water before flight.

Okay, so back to worrying about condensation building up and using FS of some sort?

[bcj]

Stop worrying? Fill up before you hard park it.
Don't over fill. Click, click, click up to the fuel neck and you'll flood the evap can.
That's bad.

edit: Fuel degradation results primarily from random atmospheric ions of one sort or another.
If the tank is full in a closed system (inoperative) for a year or two, you should be fine.
Water in the bottom of a plastic gas tank won't amount to a hill of beans.
Splashing about with alcohol once back on the road will remove it along with the old gas.

[undefindedt]

Originally Posted by BigFatFlip

Ya, @Clipdat metioned it to me. Freaking tragic, but knowing how I drove my slow shitbox Integra when I was 19, I can't say I'm surprised of the outcome specially when combined with a Mustang (even a V6 or a turbo 4 is too much) and Mines rd.

Well. That's why I never push my limits of my driving ability or vehicle on sections of road like that. There are too many possible variables that could make the event different from the previous time. You never know what you are going to get...

That road fought the battle and won again. It has won many times over the years, unfortunately. Tragic and chilling.

Many other roads can say the same....
Guess it's the chance we take in the name of spirited driving...