New Official Toyota Trailer! First Video Featuring Production FR-S / FT-86

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Originally Posted by Guff

Since the car in the video doesn't have HIDs, does that mean its the low-spec? Why would they use the low-spec? Also, does this Mean the low-spec comes with a wing?

Although, it could just be for lighting purposes.

That's probably Day running light. I don't think they will show low trim level at the show or in a trailer like this. Or maybe they have sport package for low trim. Who knows?

[Mr.Hachi.Roku]

Personally, i am not absolutely sure there isnt any HID on the car.
In my opinion, there seems to be a projector lamp, and only HID uses projector lamp. Halogen doesnt.

The orange tint, imo, is caused by the pole lights aka position lights which are ususally orange in stock, even when paired with stock HIDs.

Bear in mind, stock HID from toyota is not pure white color, it is slightly yellowish. Also cars with HID usually have an additional halogen lamp for high beam purposes. And also this video have been edited for colour contrast etc, hence the colour doesnt appear as white as it is in reality.

I've circled in this picture to show where i could possibly see a projector lamp lookalike circle of much whiter light in a concentrated area, much like the light throw characteristics of HID. Halgoen doesnt throw light in a concentrated circle. And the picture also shows where i speculate the pole lights to be, causing the general orange tint.

I could be wrong though as the video image have been manipulated to the nth degree

[Kostamojen]

Originally Posted by Mr.Hachi.Roku

In my opinion, there seems to be a projector lamp, and only HID uses projector lamp. Halogen doesn't.

Thats false, sorry to burst your bubble

06-07 Imprezas had the same projector style halogen, as did the 05-09 Legacys. And thats just two for the sake of naming specific models, LOTS of cars have this kind of projector halogen headlight. Its just a nifty piece of glass in front of the halogen bulb.

[Mari0]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

Thats false, sorry to burst your bubble

06-07 Imprezas had the same projector style halogen, as did the 05-09 Legacys. And thats just two for the sake of naming specific models, LOTS of cars have this kind of projector halogen headlight. Its just a nifty piece of glass in front of the halogen bulb.

^that. not to mention that it is clearly stated (and consistent) in all the leaks that the HID model has a LED strip, which the car in the video doesn't.

[Longhorn248]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

Thats false, sorry to burst your bubble

06-07 Imprezas had the same projector style halogen, as did the 05-09 Legacys. And thats just two for the sake of naming specific models, LOTS of cars have this kind of projector halogen headlight. Its just a nifty piece of glass in front of the halogen bulb.

+1 also keep in mind that HID doesn't always have a halogen hi-beam. Google bi-xenon projectors.

[Mr.Hachi.Roku]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

Thats false, sorry to burst your bubble

06-07 Imprezas had the same projector style halogen, as did the 05-09 Legacys. And thats just two for the sake of naming specific models, LOTS of cars have this kind of projector halogen headlight. Its just a nifty piece of glass in front of the halogen bulb.

is that so, then i must be mistaken, thanks for pointing it out

[Mr.Hachi.Roku]

so the only way to tell a HID from a Halogen is from the colour temperature and brigtness? since both can be using projector lamps

[Sony]

Originally Posted by Kostamojen

Thats false, sorry to burst your bubble

06-07 Imprezas had the same projector style halogen, as did the 05-09 Legacys. And thats just two for the sake of naming specific models, LOTS of cars have this kind of projector halogen headlight. Its just a nifty piece of glass in front of the halogen bulb.

^^ Truth, Projector housing don't mean that the lamp is a HID type lamp. Both Halogen's and HID's can both use projector housings. HID's (Xenon's, Heavy Metal Halides, HMI's and MSR's) are the only types of lamp that REQUIRE a projector housing, both Halogen's and LED's can use plain reflector only type housings but HID's require condenser optics for focused and controlled light output. This is because HID's cannot use metal reflectors inside the lamp itself and multiple filaments to create high beams and low beams. Metal reflectors inside the lamp itself would just melt due to the high temperatures encounters in an Arc type lamp. You also cannot use multiple housings to get high and low beams, this is because of the long warm up times on HID lamps before they reach full brightness after being struck (in the entertainment industry we call it "striking an arc"). Also it's due to the fact that every time you strike (or ignite as some people say) a lamp, you lose about 1 hour of lamp life, you also cannot restrike a lamp within 10 or fifteen minutes of turning the lamp off...the lamp MUST cool to a certain temperature before it can be re-struck, unless you have what is called a "hot re-strike ballast" which is more expensive and seldom used in cars.

This means having two separate HID projector housings, one for highs and one for lows is not feasible, as the constant re-striking of the high beams would kill their lamp life as well as not being able to turn your high beams back on for 15 minutes after turning them off would not be a good thing. This is why on production cars with HID's the high beams are created by ether physically moving the lamp within the projector housing to change the lights focal point OR having a second high wattage Halogen housing mounted NEXT to the HID housing. You will notice in cars with the latter option, the high beams only add the Halogen's to the HID's and do not turn the HID's off due to the previously mentioned hot re-strike complication.

As an entertainment technician I am very well versed in the area of lighting

-Trev
Entertainment Lighting Tech

[Sony]

Originally Posted by Mr.Hachi.Roku

so the only way to tell a HID from a Halogen is from the colour temperature and brigtness? since both can be using projector lamps

Wrong, HID's and Halogen's can have similar color temperatures and outputs although yes, most likely the rule of thumb is halogens are low color temperature and HID's are high, however it's not a perfect rule, it all depends on how each lamp is designed, you can achieve higher or lower color temperatures in each type by lengthening or shortening lamp life. For instance I've seen 5,000k halogen's (those little display lamps you see mounted to lighting tracks in stores are usually 5000k) and I've seen 2500k HID's (usually those orange street lamps you see on the highway.) Halogens however do require more power to output at the same brightness as HID's are they are only about 2% efficient at best where HID's are closer to 10 to 15%, florescent's are something like 40% efficient and LED's are 60%. Don't quote me on those numbers as I am trying to remember from memory...I don't have supporting documents in front of me.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Hachi.Roku

Personally, i am not absolutely sure there isnt any HID on the car.
In my opinion, there seems to be a projector lamp, and only HID uses projector lamp. Halogen doesnt.

The orange tint, imo, is caused by the pole lights aka position lights which are ususally orange in stock, even when paired with stock HIDs.

Bear in mind, stock HID from toyota is not pure white color, it is slightly yellowish. Also cars with HID usually have an additional halogen lamp for high beam purposes. And also this video have been edited for colour contrast etc, hence the colour doesnt appear as white as it is in reality.

I've circled in this picture to show where i could possibly see a projector lamp lookalike circle of much whiter light in a concentrated area, much like the light throw characteristics of HID. Halgoen doesnt throw light in a concentrated circle. And the picture also shows where i speculate the pole lights to be, causing the general orange tint.

I could be wrong though as the video image have been manipulated to the nth degree

[Mr.Hachi.Roku]

Originally Posted by Sony

Wrong, HID's and Halogen's can have similar color temperatures and outputs although yes, most likely the rule of thumb is halogens are low color temperature and HID's are high, however it's not a perfect rule, it all depends on how each lamp is designed, you can achieve higher or lower color temperatures in each type by lengthening or shortening lamp life. For instance I've seen 5,000k halogen's (those little display lamps you see mounted to lighting tracks in stores are usually 5000k) and I've seen 2500k HID's (usually those orange street lamps you see on the highway.) Halogens however do require more power to output at the same brightness as HID's are they are only about 2% efficient at best where HID's are closer to 10 to 15%, florescent's are something like 40% efficient and LED's are 60%. Don't quote me on those numbers as I am trying to remember from memory...I don't have supporting documents in front of me.

what i was trying to say was how can we tell if it's halogen or hid that we see in the vid?

[Spaceywilly]

Originally Posted by Mr.Hachi.Roku

what i was trying to say was how can we tell if it's halogen or hid that we see in the vid?

One thing is for sure, the glow isn't bright enough to be from the headlights, it is just the DRL. DRL never use the projector lense, they are usually a smaller incandescent bulb or sometimes CFLs like BMW or LEDs like Audi. Conclusion: you can't tell from the vid if it has HID or halogen headlights.

[Sony]

Originally Posted by Mr.Hachi.Roku

what i was trying to say was how can we tell if it's halogen or hid that we see in the vid?

Next to impossible to tell, but most likely it's the low spec Halogen model. No idea though, like you said before...the picture could be photoshopped to hell. But most likely it's Halogen, the HID model is supposed to have the LED Clearance lights in the headlamps, I do not see them therefore it's prolly the Halogen. The company is probably turning out multiple different models to use as test dummies right now, so they probably just grabbed whichever one was available for the test shots. Hence why they show a white one, a black one and a red one, they are probably 3 different models they had on hand at the time while others are going out for crash testing and other assorted tests like DOT and emissions.

[Mr.Hachi.Roku]

Originally Posted by Sony

Next to impossible to tell, but most likely it's the low spec Halogen model. No idea though, like you said before...the picture could be photoshopped to hell. But most likely it's Halogen, the HID model is supposed to have the LED Clearance lights in the headlamps, I do not see them therefore it's prolly the Halogen.

sounds about right :happy0180: