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Old 04-30-2015, 07:28 PM   #29
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whoa, I thought this was gonna be a boring build thread-turns out its a pissing contest! (just giving you guys a hard time-so don't take it too personally lol)

I'm still interested in seeing results from the WORKS turbo kits. Sure they might not make the most power, but for 8/10 people, their turbo'd car is for street use. I heard the ESC mentioned, and I happen to have it. Do I make crazy power? No. Can I go 10/10ths on the track all crazy? No. I drive my car on the street, and it does a perfect job of when I want a little more ooomph. Pretty sure the stage 1 Works kit is along those lines.

I am VERY interested to see what happens with reliability of this kit. Our cars run pretty hot already, so as more of these(or any? I haven't seen any "real" street users yet) come out/are used, it'll be more apparent what works/doesn't work.

Ultimately, I like seeing kits come out for this car. Make sense or not, doesn't matter-the "bad" kits will die off, and the better/powerful/more reliable kits will prevail or at least be known.

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Every WORKS thread turns into this lol
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The intercoolong stuff is common 'best practice' knowledge. A single mention would have sufficed.

Why not wait for somebody to actually install this particular kit and try it for real before we all get our ****s in a flap?
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For reference, see below for logs of the default EcuTek logging parameters for the stage 1 kit with an ambient temperature of ~40F:

http://www.datazap.me/u/frede/workst...e?log=0&data=4 93 Octane
http://www.datazap.me/u/frede/workst...0?log=0&data=5 E70
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Old 04-30-2015, 11:11 PM   #33
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Heatsoak? Have you heard....?
Front mounted turbos heat soak WAY worse than rear mounted, so this is already starting off at an advantage.

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Heatsoak city is what this kit is as-is. You sure love it. Lol Have fun making your tiny HP gain for $$$- if you haven't clued in yet! Hairdryer setup on peanut boost because our engines are fragile to boost with a high 12.5:1 built orginally for NA.
Get a freaking clue. These engines are stronger and hold power better than lots of engines originally built for boost. The stage 1 kit is designed to make 200-220whp, which it does safely and easily. Not everyone wants 350whp.

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I see this kit as used only for dyno pulls and quick spuirts for the stage 1. I dare you to do a full lapping session in that car even if it makes tiny boost safely. Obviously, they're using a tiny ass turbo. Csg asked for tested data and received none. I asked, received none. What are you trying to prove? That this kit is "barely good enough"? Lol. You obvious missed the boat since 2003.
I already said I wouldn't consider running track sessions with a setup like this, but for a pure street car looking to make a bit of extra power it works just fine. As for the turbo size, get another clue. There's simply no point in running a bigger turbo than needed unless you like poor throttle response and lag. You can make ~400whp on on a GT28 (depending on wheels), well beyond what you want to make on stock internals on 93/94 octane.

I find it a bit funny you're talking about how it would only hold up to a couple quick pulls, but I get the impression neither of your cars get used for anything but that.

You're also basing all of this off the fact they wouldn't give you logs? Even if they did you would just call BS on it. They don't have to prove anything to you if people that have actually put their money into the kit are happy with it.

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Is this your first sports car? Stop dodging this question ahaha.
No it's not, but why would that matter? You're basing your facts off 25 year old tech pretending to know everything there is to know. When was the last time either of your cars saw a track?

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Oh and the kit (system) really is ~$5000 if you factor in ALL supporting heat mods like turbo blankets, oil coolers, vented hood, bigger rad, and so on.
The kit would be totally fine on an average pure street car with just the kit. The extra stuff is needed for people that are pushing the car harder, and everyone even considering track time should have an oil cooler.

I get where Mike is coming from because he actually tracks his cars, and puts them through a lot of torture, but he's far from the average owner, so his needs are VERY different than someone just looking for a bit more grunt on the street. Not sure what your excuse is.

Also, see the logs below. 40F is ~4C, highest IAT is 20C. I get a bigger spread in IAT sitting at a red light for 60 seconds. Most of the time it's within 6C of ambient, which is actually about what I see on mine on the highway N/A. Now you have logs proving it's actually working quite well, what's your next story?

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For reference, see below for logs of the default EcuTek logging parameters for the stage 1 kit with an ambient temperature of ~40F:

http://www.datazap.me/u/frede/workst...e?log=0&data=4 93 Octane
http://www.datazap.me/u/frede/workst...0?log=0&data=5 E70
Just an FYI Fred, second link doesn't work.
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For reference, see below for logs of the default EcuTek logging parameters for the stage 1 kit with an ambient temperature of ~40F:

http://www.datazap.me/u/frede/workst...e?log=0&data=4 93 Octane
http://www.datazap.me/u/frede/workst...0?log=0&data=5 E70
That iat data is meaningless since the iat sensor is pre turbo...
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Old 05-01-2015, 05:35 AM   #35
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Just an FYI Fred, second link doesn't work.
Sorry, it should be working now.
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That iat data is meaningless since the iat sensor is pre turbo...
Is it draw through MAF?? I thought they were running it as blow through. That does change how useful (or useless) the log is.

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This guy is still talking.......
I'm gonna go out on a limb and take that as you confirming you've never tracked either car.
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Is it draw through MAF?? I thought they were running it as blow through. That does change how useful (or useless) the log is.



I'm gonna go out on a limb and take that as you confirming you've never tracked either car.
And I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that you've never owned a formidible turbocharged car let alone build one?

I ran the mr2 with Touge.ca at cayuga a few years back. What's your issue? You've also proven to many of us here that you clealry have no direct experience with anything turbo. Seriously, all I see is a keyboard mechanic just reading and reposting what you find on the interwebs. Where is your direct experience?

Anybody that knows me knows that I build first and foremost for reliability. Power comes second. You clealry have know grip of knowledge surrounding turbo cars and how they behave if you're kinned to Works stage1 kit. It put down a measly 250whp ON E85 is what they said. Seriously, if you're into cheap thrills and only need a tiny bump in hp to satisfy for pulls here and there, you've got ESC Phantom written all over you. I can't even begin to imagine what a stage1 works does on pumpgas. Yikes!

You drive a 165whp frs, stop posing like you're a race car driver and please stop recommending what people should do in a FI application when you yourself don't even have any direct experience. Look, I get that you don't like me, but save face bro, you're making yourself look terrible.

There's so much more I can say but I'm on break at work.

My opinions on the stage 1 works kit is that it is trash. Do it right the first time and go stage2. Hell, even fab an a2a setup for the stage 1 if you don't want the complexities of an a2w system. But most importantly, intercooling is absolutely a necessity to turbocharging.

I'm done.
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I'm done.
Thank God.

Now back to this build thread...
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So why not let the guy install it, run it, and then see how it goes? Seems like a discussion about a whole bunch of issues that haven't even arisen yet. The OP understands what he bought and will post up how everything works. If the overall design does turn out to be shitty, then I'm sure he'll let everyone know.

I'm actually pretty eager to read about a real world experience with this kit from a customer who installed it.
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And I'm gonna go out on a limb and say that you've never owned a formidible turbocharged car let alone build one?

I ran the mr2 with Touge.ca at cayuga a few years back. What's your issue? You've also proven to many of us here that you clealry have no direct experience with anything turbo. Seriously, all I see is a keyboard mechanic just reading and reposting what you find on the interwebs. Where is your direct experience?
I have more turbo experience than you have track experience, that's all you need to know. I've been toying with ideas for a custom turbo kit for mine, but keep falling back on a supercharger instead. I would want a GT25R based kit to make ~250whp on 94 with a smaller IC and super short pipes. Why such a small turbo and no room to make 400whp? Because I don't want/need 400whp, but I do want/need extremely fast throttle response, no lag and a super flat torque "curve". For what it would cost, it's hard to justify over an off the shelf SC kit that would be very similar in performance. I don't love the parasitic drag, but I also can't justify spending double to get rid of it.

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Anybody that knows me knows that I build first and foremost for reliability. Power comes second. You clealry have know grip of knowledge surrounding turbo cars and how they behave if you're kinned to Works stage1 kit. It put down a measly 250whp ON E85 is what they said. Seriously, if you're into cheap thrills and only need a tiny bump in hp to satisfy for pulls here and there, you've got ESC Phantom written all over you. I can't even begin to imagine what a stage1 works does on pumpgas. Yikes!

You drive a 165whp frs, stop posing like you're a race car driver and please stop recommending what people should do in a FI application when you yourself don't even have any direct experience. Look, I get that you don't like me, but save face bro, you're making yourself look terrible.

There's so much more I can say but I'm on break at work.

My opinions on the stage 1 works kit is that it is trash. Do it right the first time and go stage2. Hell, even fab an a2a setup for the stage 1 if you don't want the complexities of an a2w system. But most importantly, intercooling is absolutely a necessity to turbocharging.

I'm done.
Are you seriously that thick? You seriously can't comprehend simple things. You're talking about what's needed for a 300+whp build in a thread about a kit designed to make 200whp on pump gas. Pull your head out of your ass and look at the situation at hand before spouting off your BS. Smart people want useful power to them. What's useful to them is 100% situational on what they do with their cars. Lots of people just want a reliable 200-220whp and will never go higher than that. No one is claiming this is a high hp kit, or that it's meant for track use. This kit is a direct competitor to the innovate/sprintex supercharger, and is designed for pure street cars looking for a little more oomph. This kit will likely be VERY reliable for the people using it as intended, the lack of an IC has no affect on that. Overbuilding doesn't increase reliablity, just costs.

Once again, just because it doesn't fit what YOU think someone should do with THEIR car, doesn't mean it's a bad product. It's really quite simple.

I'm done arguing with you though, you clearly know everything that everyone could ever want out of their own car. We should all bow down to the turbocharging god.

Bring your substantially faster MR2 out some time and see how much faster it isn't around a track than my wimpy 165whp FRS. I'm REALLY impressed you know how much power mine makes considering it hasn't even been on a dyno, and you have no idea what has been changed on it. You really ARE that godly.
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So why not let the guy install it, run it, and then see how it goes? Seems like a discussion about a whole bunch of issues that haven't even arisen yet. The OP understands what he bought and will post up how everything works. If the overall design does turn out to be shitty, then I'm sure he'll let everyone know.

I'm actually pretty eager to read about a real world experience with this kit from a customer who installed it.
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