33k and the trouble begins(Final update=Spoke too soon)

[SkiRideDrive]

One thing to try... make sure torque is not running when you start the car. That will cause it to throw codes. But I think those codes are communication issues... not the ones you mentioned above. Good luck.

[J-W]

Originally Posted by SkiRideDrive

One thing to try... make sure torque is not running when you start the car. That will cause it to throw codes. But I think those codes are communication issues... not the ones you mentioned above. Good luck.

I normally only plug in the adapter when I intend to check things out and I have the car on and around operating temperature. The past few days have been the exception due to frustrations of trying to wrap my head around the problem.

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by J-W

Brand new Sunday. Removed the entire intake and reassembled to ensure everything was right. Besides, if it's before the MAF sensor, wouldn't it still register the volume?

You may have a vacuum leak if there was anything that came loose or wasn't re-installed correctly.

[J-W]

Originally Posted by Apoc

You may have a vacuum leak if there was anything that came loose or wasn't re-installed correctly.

I've triple checked everything leading into the intake manifold at this point. I've spent quite a few years as a mechanic, so can we get off the "something installed incorrectly" theme? I'm not meaning to sound unappreciative of the advice, but I've stated a few times that I've ruled it out.

[Apoc]

Originally Posted by J-W

I've triple checked everything leading into the intake manifold at this point. I've spent quite a few years as a mechanic, so can we get off the "something installed incorrectly" theme? I'm not meaning to sound unappreciative of the advice, but I've stated a few times that I've ruled it out.

You shouldn't ask for advice from non-mechanics and figure it yourself.

[J-W]

Originally Posted by Apoc

You shouldn't ask for advice from non-mechanics and figure it yourself.

First: There happen to be other very skilled and knowledgeable mechanics on here that may or may not have something to add.

Second: In my OP, I didn't state that I was looking for advice and was merely doing this as a public record for others that may have similar issues.

Third: Any helpful advice is appreciated, though I'm confident I'll get it sorted some way.

That all being said, I'm assuming you didn't read a majority of the thread and I'm sorry if you did and just didn't pick up on what's already been discussed.

[Apoc]

I did read the entire thread. You never mentioned that you removed the intake entirely until a couple posts ago. Problems usually stem from the last thing was changed. P0171 usually pops up with a vacuum leak or exhaust leak. Sometimes putting ego aside on these forums helps.

[J-W]

Originally Posted by Apoc

I did read the entire thread. You never mentioned that you removed the intake entirely until a couple posts ago. Problems usually stem from the last thing was changed. P0171 usually pops up with a vacuum leak or exhaust leak. Sometimes putting ego aside on these forums helps.

Had it been that code alone, I would be more inclined to agree with that statement. As was stated earlier, car is nearly bone stock. Aside from oil, peeking at the air filter and rotating the tires, nothing has been changed in the past six months.

[Euro7R]

Long shot, maybe unplug the battery to let the car "reset" itself. Weird things with this car and brand new too.

[J-W]

Originally Posted by Euro7R

Long shot, maybe unplug the battery to let the car "reset" itself. Weird things with this car and brand new too.

Had it disconnected while I took apart the intake checking things.

[J-W]

Took some freeze frames at idle, I'll post them when I get home. Can't seem to post them properly from my phone.
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[steve99]

Originally Posted by J-W

That's what I have and what I've been using to pull codes. Not really sure where sensors should be reading at what point, but at idle, it seems like engine load is ridiculously high.

At idle engine load should be arround 0.3
afr generally arround 14.7 once warmed up at idle
ltft will vary a bit depending on intake air temps fuel ethhanol percent ect but should be less than 10% usually arround +\-5% in most cases ,if long termm fuel trim is high like 15 to 20% usually an indication something is wrong

short term fuel trim will vary widly with throttle application this is normal

commanded afr and afr should follow each other under load

see logging link below

[CARBONGT86]

Took it too dealer and they flashed the ecu with the latest revision.

[J-W]

Originally Posted by CARBONGT86

Took it too dealer and they flashed the ecu with the latest revision.

How long ago was that, may I ask? Any issues at all since?