2017 BRZ Owners Performance Thoughts

[STV3]

Originally Posted by 2017-BRZ

alternative facts ha ha..

93 octane 1/2 tank fuel..30 dgree F...6K shift
under 6 seconds... stock.

2017 owners welcomed to test and verify..

I can't lay claims for earlier model years.

Highway speed passing no problems either.

Well in that case my mountain bike too can accelerate in under 6 seconds....

[2017-BRZ]

Originally Posted by Ernest72

OP having both a 16 BRZ and an 04 modded WRX I can understand both sides. The car is not slow its just NA. None of that surge of power from a turbo. If you really get used to that surge than you will miss it. Both are fun, but I have to admit to BRZ is more fun and playful and the steering is great. 250 HP stock would have been perfect for this car. For now I am stock on the warranty, but in the future I'll bump it up some. These cars are more fun in the twisties than any highway pulls.

I had a turbo car.. a very good turbo car. VTG 997TT.
I know what acceleration is 0-60 in the 3's...

All I'm saying is power to weight ratio is often overlooked with HP numbers on paper and 0-60 times being the forefront only "BIG DEAL" of a great driving experience.

And for experienced drivers we know there is much more to it than this.
Get yourself a good set of tyres to put all the traction to the pavement and learn the driving habits of the car.

It's not about mashing the pedal..that wont get you best acceleration not at least until you arrive in the upper range revs of about 5K..

rev match consistently and utilize 4th gear efficiently..

[Poodles]

Originally Posted by Stephen W.

I was not aware that the “Twins” were “Flex Fuel Vehicles” from the factory.


I know that many feel there is only an up side to ethanol fuels. However, ethanol laced fuels can and have caused problems with some vehicles. I speak from personal experience. There is more to making a FFV than adding a sensor, a new tune and e85.


FFVs are specially designed to run on regular unleaded or any ethanol fuel blend up to 85%. It is my understanding that any part of the vehicle which comes in contact with such blended fuel has to be upgraded to tolerate said fuel. Normally, these parts include an upgraded fuel tank, the fuel lines, fuel injectors, fuel pump components, etcetera with ethanol compatible parts as well as the aforementioned sensor and ECU tunes.


I’m not wanting to ignite another e85 debate, there are already plenty of those on this and other forums. I’m just stating my concern on using fuels that as yet are not recommended by the factory. It may well be that many of the components in the “Twins” are already ethanol compatible. But if that were the case why would the factories not advertise the fact?

It's simple. Most new cars are designed with a high ethanol tolerance now because E10 is so prevalent. The extra cost of the flex fuel sensor and tune simply isn't there, especially when Subaru doesn't have a single flex fuel vehicle in their lineup. You don't advertise that your car is only part way flex fuel capable, that's stupid...

These cars have been around long enough and for enough miles already to prove that E85 tunes are safe. The tune can only get so much out of it though, so true 85% ethanol isn't even needed, meaning that it's quite safe.

If you are worried about it, you can add the sensor and tune, and then it operates just the same as any other flex fuel car.

[Xxyion]

I'm going to have to agree with OP on this.

But a lot of this i find has to do with the new gear ratio.

My 2016 BRZ is boosted with the Edelbrock SC. It defiently has a lot of kick to it. However i recently test drove a new Series Yellow with PP. Honestly i almost enjoyed it more. If anything i think what "slows" this car down the most is the torque dip. And that can be easily remedied.

I enjoyed it so much that i'm going back to NA and i'll probably just end up making changes to my 2016 MY to replicate what is now stock in the 2017s

[reeves]

Originally Posted by Poodles

It's simple. Most new cars are designed with a high ethanol tolerance now because E10 is so prevalent. The extra cost of the flex fuel sensor and tune simply isn't there, especially when Subaru doesn't have a single flex fuel vehicle in their lineup. You don't advertise that your car is only part way flex fuel capable, that's stupid...

Ethanol content is 15-20% in some stations.. whether that's intentional or by accident, still.. Manufacturers have to account for that.

Also, when the 86 first came out, the official press release said the car won't have a turbo because "there is no room" for it LOL. Wished I framed that article.

Toyota/Subaru knew they were making a car that would be modded to hell by the aftermarket community.. the 86 is very FI and E85 friendly, it's part of the charm.

[funwheeldrive]

The closest e85 station if 45 minutes away from me.

[ktulu7]

I'll just keep rollin' with E0 fuel here in Iowa, which is ironically the land of ethanol. It's funny, but awesome, that just about all the gas stations in Central Iowa I've been to, have 3 types of gasoline: Regular (non-ethanol), Plus/Super/Whatever (same 87 octane but WITH ethanol and cheaper), and Premium (non-ethanol and 91 or 93 octane). 2 out of the 3 pumps will say "NO ALCOHOL" above them. It's peculiar compared to everywhere else in the US and Canada I've been to...

[JohnnieBoy]

Originally Posted by gskv

it'll make both happy if the vehicle had 40 more ponies

Originally Posted by Somerandom18

Headers, e85 and a tune. Problem solved. Hell even just e85 and a tune will do the job. Must say though, my 17 goes from 60-100 real quick. Car is next to stock. Did you keep the engine between 5k and redline at all while test driving? That's where the power is..

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Bought my used 2013 BRZL on January 18th. Had Zach at Delicious Tuning install a stage one tune on Jan 24th. Very noticeable upgrade, smoothed out the throttle and dissipated the flat spot in the torque curve. Then I installed one of their E85 kits and had him re-tweak the map on Feb 14th. Wow... what a difference! Enough to warrant the $1300? I think so... And just enough to hold me over until I come up with the scratch for an Edelbrock!!!

But as is, the car is no slouch. Dialing in suspension, wheels/tires, and exhaust along with a tune also helped... I am still finding myself going on drives for no reason!

[JohnnieBoy]

Originally Posted by Xxyion

I enjoyed it so much that i'm going back to NA and i'll probably just end up making changes to my 2016 MY to replicate what is now stock in the 2017s

Let me know when that day comes, I will be more than happy to take the Edelbrock off your hands for you!

[imnotsureaboutbrz]

Man... I wish we had E85.... or 93 octane.... or 91 octane... 90 is the best we get up here, unless you have a stash of Torco.

[Xxyion]

Originally Posted by JohnnieBoy

Let me know when that day comes, I will be more than happy to take the Edelbrock off your hands for you!

Haha i already have a buyer lined up but if he decides to not go for it i'll let you know!

[geezerbrzeezer]

Originally Posted by JohnnieBoy

drives for no reason!

Those four words truly and totally represent the spirit of the 86.

Period.

I don't care whether you assidentally swerved into it, or my genius shamelessly coopted it, but it is irrefutable truth.

[krayzie]

Originally Posted by STV3

Well in that case my mountain bike too can accelerate in under 6 seconds....

With or without mashing the pedals?

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Sport-Tech

Agreed - around town it tests out fine, but at 70 mph when you punch it to grab that opening on the freeway, it's just not there - the MX-5 is better in that respect.

Not sure what it feels like from the driver's seat (haven't driven it yet), but in measured tests the new Miata is actually significantly slower above 60 mph. Over 1 second slower 60-100 and over 3 seconds slower 60-120.

60-100 mph
2013 FR-S: 10.2 sec
2016 Miata: 11.5 sec

60-120 mph
2013 FR-S: 20.0 sec
2016 Miata: 23.7 sec

http://media.caranddriver.com/files/...fr-s-specs.pdf
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...rm-test-review

Originally Posted by nico_rsx

Haha,
Well he also didn't say accelerate to what speed...
Maybe 0-60 KM/H
Or 20-60 MPH

LOL that was my first thought when OP said his car was sub 6 seconds.

Originally Posted by Xxyion

I'm going to have to agree with OP on this.

My 2016 BRZ is boosted with the Edelbrock SC. It defiently has a lot of kick to it. However i recently test drove a new Series Yellow with PP. Honestly i almost enjoyed it more. If anything i think what "slows" this car down the most is the torque dip. And that can be easily remedied.

Yeah I recently switched to a header that makes less peak HP but completely fills in the torque dip. It's surprising how it can change the feel of the car for street driving. Why swap out your SC though? Seems odd (no offense).