Toyota and Subaru Officially Confirm Second Gen 86! (September 27, 2019)

[CrowsFeast]

Originally Posted by Dake

The 400Z will be a cross-over.

Probably built like one anyway.

Is it wrong that at (a possible) 4.0L displacement I'd like it to be a V8?

[mazeroni]

Whatever it ends up being, I'm sure it'll disappoint. Nissan isn't exactly doing super great right now. Executives getting axed, power struggle with Renault, aging cars, and Infiniti is ready to fall off into the abyss.

I can't imagine there are many available resources to invest into a new sports car between them trying to take Infiniti full electric and refreshing the entire Nissan lineup during the next couple of years.

[Nevermore]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Fair enough, wasn't really thinking in terms of comparison just the base price.

IMHO, Nissan needs to reboot the Z and return it to it's roots, making it look like a modern version of the 240,260 or 280.

Or better yet, bring back and produce the MID4!!

Originally Posted by ZDan

Gotdam right, I've been waiting...

Oh man, if they made a modern 240 as close to the original as they could manage they could have all my money. All of it.

Originally Posted by CrowsFeast

Probably built like one anyway.

Is it wrong that at (a possible) 4.0L displacement I'd like it to be a V8?

... Especially if they put an NA 4.0L V8 in the thing. I have an unreasonable and unexplained obsession with tiny displacement, high cylinder engines. Never been able to explain it, but I deeply want a V8 that is 4.0 or less. Bonus points for ITBs. All my money, and I'd kill someone for a tiny V8 with ITBs...

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Nevermore

Oh man, if they made a modern 240 as close to the original as they could manage they could have all my money. All of it....

For practical reasons and to meet regulations, I think it would have to be closer to the 280, at least in size. The pedestrian hood requirements alone would make the 240 almost impossible.

[Nevermore]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

For practical reasons and to meet regulations, I think it would have to be closer to the 280, at least in size. The pedestrian hood requirements alone would make the 240 almost impossible.

I guess that would be okay... I've never cared for the longer body of the 280, but if it was skinnier than the 350/370 I would be happy.

[NWFRS]

A good buddy of mine bought a low-miles, single-owner SC400 about ten years ago. Burgundy-over-beige leather. That engine had a fairly unique sound and the car was quick. I too would be interested in another small-displacement V8 in a modern Japanese sports/touring car. I wouldn't BUY one but I know at least two people who probably would if it was made in Japan, cost less than $50k, and be available with a decent manual or automatic gearbox. (No CVTs) After that the same buddy had an E63 AMG with the 6.3 (6.2) V8 engine. It sounded incredible but my buddy never really warmed up to it like he did the SC400.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Adam_L

370z is about 10 years old now. 400z is next... should be good, not sure about great

Originally Posted by Nevermore

Oh man, if they made a modern 240 as close to the original as they could manage they could have all my money. All of it.

... Especially if they put an NA 4.0L V8 in the thing.

I'd rather they came out with a new 4cyl 200-250Z than an 8cyl 400Z, honestly (and I drove a 6.8 liter LS3 FD for while). A car the size/weight of the FT86 but a cab-rearward 2-seater on a shorter wheelbase for 50/50 distribution. 8200+rpm 2.5 liter should be good for upwards of 300hp, weight could be FT86ish or less.

I have an unreasonable and unexplained obsession with tiny displacement, high cylinder engines. Never been able to explain it, but I deeply want a V8 that is 4.0 or less. Bonus points for ITBs. All my money, and I'd kill someone for a tiny V8 with ITBs...

E90/E92 M3! Bit of a porker though...

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

For practical reasons and to meet regulations, I think it would have to be closer to the 280, at least in size. The pedestrian hood requirements alone would make the 240 almost impossible.

240Z 260Z and 280Z were the same S30 chassis, exactly the same size except for the enormo bumpers on the '74 1/2 260Z and 280Z.

Originally Posted by CrowsFeast

Is it wrong that at (a possible) 4.0L displacement I'd like it to be a V8?

Of course not. Hell, why not V10? More and more $$,$$$ of course. And size and weight...

Originally Posted by Nevermore

I guess that would be okay... I've never cared for the longer body of the 280, but if it was skinnier than the 350/370 I would be happy.

The 2-seat 260 and 280Zs did not have a longer body. The 2+2 260Z and 280Z models did, with a longer wheelbase and unfortunately crooked roofline. They shoulda gone shooting-brake stylee!

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by ZDan

240Z 260Z and 280Z were the same S30 chassis, exactly the same size except for the enormo bumpers on the '73 1/2 260Z and 280Z.

Didn't realize that, and I was comparing them in my head from memory. the 280 sure looked bigger in my head (maybe bulkier is a better word)

EDIT: Maybe I was thinking of the 4 seater 280. I didn't realize they had a 2. I was an admirer from afar as they were way out of my price range when new.

[JesseG]

Originally Posted by RayRay88

If Subaru is still involved (which has been confirmed), you can guarantee that it's going to come with a boxer motor of some sort. I'd place my bets on an evolution of the FA series. I think an FA22 with 220hp euro emissions compatible is probably what it'll get. It makes the most sense in today's emissions environment. Hard to see it go turbo from the get go, it would cannibalize a lot of wrx sales.

The WRX and 86/BRZ would still be VERY different cars even if they have the same motor. But I don’t think that will ever happen anyway.
The WRX is great, I love them, but it will always feel like a hopped up sedan, not a low slung sports car.


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[JesseG]

Originally Posted by mazeroni

New 86/ BRZ may or may not have more competition from the new Z.

Ivan Espinosa (Corporate VP of global and Japan product planning at Nissan) says a new Z is coming next year. Might be called the 400Z. No roadster.

https://www.motortrend.com/news/next...ing-2020-400z/

I'm wondering if they will go after the Mustang and Challenger with the next car, especially with the comments about it being possible to target higher volumes. In base form, with a usable back seat and the VC-Turbo motor for around $30K, it could do well.

And Nissan as a company is in trouble, so they might swing for the fences. A badass new Z and Skyline GTR would be amazing. I don’t ever want to see Nissan go away.


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[yurikaze]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Didn't realize that, and I was comparing them in my head from memory. the 280 sure looked bigger in my head (maybe bulkier is a better word)

EDIT: Maybe I was thinking of the 4 seater 280. I didn't realize they had a 2. I was an admirer from afar as they were way out of my price range when new.

There was a 2+2 280Z, but there was also the later 280ZX.
You're not alone however, it seems most people seem to think the 280Z was bigger than the 240Z.
You can see from mine however, that not only is it the same size, but almost every part is interchangeable between a 280Z and 240Z. (Mine has 240Z suspension, grille, bumper, and hatch. The only major changes besides the bumpers and engine were the trunk floor and rear taillights and trim)
Before (full 280Z spec)


After (240Z partial conversion)

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by JesseG

And Nissan as a company is in trouble, so they might swing for the fences...

I just read an article that they are dropping the Datsun name for the second time since the whole economy car idea didn't work out for them in the markets where they tried it. Maybe they should revive it with the aforementioned reboot of the 240Z and make it their sports car brand.

[ZDan]

Originally Posted by Dadhawk

Didn't realize that, and I was comparing them in my head from memory. the 280 sure looked bigger in my head (maybe bulkier is a better word)
EDIT: Maybe I was thinking of the 4 seater 280. I didn't realize they had a 2. I was an admirer from afar as they were way out of my price range when new.

You were either looking at a 2+2 or a 280ZX. Here's a good look at profiles of:
S30 240Z 2-seater (the only model), S30 260Z 2+2 (280Z 2+2 similar), S30 280Z 2-seater (maybe w/ smaller non-US bumpers?), S130 280ZX 2-seater (new and different chassis), and Z30 300ZX 2-seater.

Note: 2+2 was available from S30 260Z through Z32 (90s) 300ZX, and of course all those were available as shorter-wheelbase 2-seaters. The Z33 2+2 is the G35 coupe...

[beltax90]

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