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Old 02-10-2017, 12:40 PM   #15
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Jesus christ, none of you read the question.

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So my question to you all is, whether having the rumble and smoother torque on the daily worth the PAX hit during autocross season?
Putting the kid gloves on is nice and all, but the OP didn't exactly come off as someone who doesn't know how competition works.
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Jesus christ, none of you read the question.



Putting the kid gloves on is nice and all, but the OP didn't exactly come off as someone who doesn't know how competition works.


The short answer is no. It isn't worth giving up something you will enjoy on your car, or otherwise changing/conforming your car to win at something that you have almost no chance in winning anyway.

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Thanks for the tips... as with any forum it got sideways in the middle..

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It isn't worth giving up something you will enjoy on your car, or otherwise changing/conforming your car to win at something that you have almost no chance in winning anyway.
But I think your comment hit home the most...

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So my question to you all is, whether having the rumble and smoother torque on the daily worth the PAX hit during autocross season?
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The short answer is no. It isn't worth giving up something you will enjoy on your car, or otherwise changing/conforming your car to win at something that you have almost no chance in winning anyway.
PAX speaking, the current DS PAX is soft for the <16 FRS/BRZ, in my opinion. STX is a little tougher.

The original question you are asking is a value question. What do you value?

It seems strange that you bought the car as an autoX toy and would be considering a setup for the car that would make it less competitive (without a lot more setup). If you are not interested in doing the full STX setup, and this is an autoX toy, then NO, you should not do the UEL.

In this specific instance, all or nothing. If this is just a car you enjoy, then do as you wish.

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Hey guys,
LOOOONG time lurker. I'm picking up a new to me BRZ for a daily driver and autocross toy. I'm looking forward to our upcoming but short autocross season this year (Alaska problems). With the group of cars that compete here I'm not going to be fighting for the top spot in raw times, so PAX is where I think I'll be competitive.

With this new car I'm really interested in doing a UEL and OFT tune, frankly just for the little bit of noise and torque dip reduction. But I have no desire or plan for coilovers, wide tires and all the other things that STX'ers typically do. I will be replacing the stock tires! (as soon as it finishes snowing)

So my question to you all is, whether having the rumble and smoother torque on the daily worth the PAX hit during autocross season?

About me:Last season I co-drove a friends early C4 corvette (and beat him at every event), and long before that I was in HS with my trusty sentra. So I generally have fun with driving 'slow' cars fast.

Thanks for the input!
FWIW, this is a video of my STS CRX vs my FR-S that was on stock suspension, bars, springs, shocks with 17x9 BFG Rival-S. Car had all the bolt on engine mods without a cat or a tune. As the grip went up on the concrete side, the car started feeling more sluggish when changing directions, which was expected.

As others have stated, the wheels/tire combination offer a lot alone.

[ame="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26jJ8xcY6Eg"]STX Lite vs STS - YouTube[/ame]
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FWIW, this is a video of my STS CRX vs my FR-S that was on stock suspension, bars, springs, shocks with 17x9 BFG Rival-S. Car had all the bolt on engine mods without a cat or a tune. As the grip went up on the concrete side, the car started feeling more sluggish when changing directions, which was expected.

As others have stated, the wheels/tire combination offer a lot alone.

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PAX speaking, the current DS PAX is soft for the <16 FRS/BRZ, in my opinion. STX is a little tougher.

The original question you are asking is a value question. What do you value?

It seems strange that you bought the car as an autoX toy and would be considering a setup for the car that would make it less competitive (without a lot more setup). If you are not interested in doing the full STX setup, and this is an autoX toy, then NO, you should not do the UEL.

In this specific instance, all or nothing. If this is just a car you enjoy, then do as you wish.

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Thanks for the insights, but I think now that I know exactly which car I'm going to be driving... I'm just going to do brake pads and tires and get to know the car this season. I'm getting super excited for some warm weather!... in 2 months
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I'm not promoting cheating, but the oft stage 1 tune (Oem header mapping) gets you easily halfway there in the quest to rid yourself of the torque dip. Most people don't talk about this, as they often buy the header then tune, or both at the same time. I ran the stage 1 tune for a year and really liked it. The power and dip reduction was more dramatic from all stock to the stage 1 tune than it was going from that to header and stage 2.


It's unlikely that would be noticed at an autoX unless you're gunning for nationals or something. Again, not promoting cheating, just saying.

In the end I wouldn't stay stock on a DD when it drives so much better tuned with or without a header. Not for a handful of autoX runs per year.
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I'm not promoting cheating, but the oft stage 1 tune (Oem header mapping) gets you easily halfway there in the quest to rid yourself of the torque dip. Most people don't talk about this, as they often buy the header then tune, or both at the same time. I ran the stage 1 tune for a year and really liked it. The power and dip reduction was more dramatic from all stock to the stage 1 tune than it was going from that to header and stage 2.


It's unlikely that would be noticed at an autoX unless you're gunning for nationals or something. Again, not promoting cheating, just saying.

In the end I wouldn't stay stock on a DD when it drives so much better tuned with or without a header. Not for a handful of autoX runs per year.
I've thought about that, especially since it just takes a few minutes to swap back to the factory tune, but I'm gonna wait to see some dyno'd results on the 2017 cars before I do that.
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It's not just that - sometimes the reflash can do what I can only describe as a "awful" throttle response for 1-200 miles before it feels right. Happened quite noticeably the first time, and a bit after I went to stg2 (after I got a header). It isn't permanent, but definitely not something i'd do the morning of an autoX event.

just a heads up, your mileage may vary.
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It's not just that - sometimes the reflash can do what I can only describe as a "awful" throttle response for 1-200 miles before it feels right. Happened quite noticeably the first time, and a bit after I went to stg2 (after I got a header). It isn't permanent, but definitely not something i'd do the morning of an autoX event.

just a heads up, your mileage may vary.
Thanks! I'm just gonna have fun with her! I just picked her up from port this morning and now she's getting a PPF applied...

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