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Old 01-04-2019, 01:13 PM   #43
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Anyone spending $30k to mod this car is
1) an utterly clueless moron
2) has never been on a track (does not even know what driving fast means)
3) is stupid with money
4) belongs in a Mustang
5) All of the above

Learn to drive the car before you go broke ruining it.

Here's some reading
https://www.ft86club.com/forums/showthread.php?t=130121
I hope you're trolling
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Old 01-04-2019, 01:33 PM   #44
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Not really. If you can really afford mods over time, you can finance a more expensive car and afford higher monthly payments over time.

Furthermore, a vehicle that costs $30K to buy and $30K more to build is significantly more financially risky than an unmodded $60K car. If someone hits your highly modified cheap car, it's more likely to be totaled. You're not going to get $60K from the insurance company, and the value of the work you put into it will simply vanish.

A $60K car would be much less likely to be totaled out, since the cost of repairs would total to a smaller percentage of the value of the vehicle. So you're more likely to get your car back whole, lose less money out of pocket and not have to start all over.
Agree with the totaling scenario but in that case there will be parts that I can salvage and sell. It's also a game of calculated risk and probability. Furthermore, I can choose to buy a mod every month or go a whole year without modding anything, depending on my budget, whereas I will be forced to make those payments every month no matter what if I'm financing a more expensive car.
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Old 01-04-2019, 03:06 PM   #45
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Couldn't agree more with #6.
This a great discussion, but the main point is that you mod cars because it's fun, and you're probably a tinkerer/engineer type.
If you are just after getting a faster car then yeah, you might complain about having to spend all the money to upgrade this car.
If that's you, then really you're just pissed because you can't afford to buy something that meets your baseline level of performance.
Upgrading a cheap car is like getting an extra interest-free loan on a bunch of upgrades that you can do whenever it's convenient for you.

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To all those saying "instead of modding, buy X car", there are a few considerations:

1. the financial impact of buying an expensive car outright is quite a bit more noticeable than gradually modding a cheaper car.

2. a more expensive car is usually not a great proposition for daily drivers. I drive my car in the winter, through ice and snow

3. Some people don't have money for a second car

4. Some people don't have space for a second car (crammed driveway/live in a condo and only have 1 parking spot and another one costs 50-75K)

5. Some people would still mod that more expensive car and mods for more expensive cars are umm... more expensive.

6. Modding a fairly basic car into something that's a bit more serious is extremely gratifying. Like watching a child grow from something that's babbling and stupid to an intelligent individual.

7. A more expensive car usually drinks more gas and insurance is more expensive, not to mention servicing costs

8. I think it's safe to say that if there was ever a car created with the mod market in mind, it's this one
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Old 01-04-2019, 09:49 PM   #46
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Just buy an Alpha 4C.
speaking as someone who has driven a 4c , i still chose the brz.

floppy paddles and auto-rev-matching is no match for the glee that i get out of a clutch pedal and perfecting a manual rev-match.
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Old 01-04-2019, 10:40 PM   #47
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speaking as someone who has driven a 4c , i still chose the brz.

floppy paddles and auto-rev-matching is no match for the glee that i get out of a clutch pedal and perfecting a manual rev-match.
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Old 01-05-2019, 10:35 AM   #48
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you can always just keep it stock......
This is exactly what I'm doing. Recently picked up my first FR-S (2015, dark grey, manual, 51k mi, 3rd owner)

I got lucky since, in my area, most were either previously wrecked, clearly ridden hard or modified in some way. Finding a clean manual with under 50k miles and under $18k took me nearly a year and having to drive across the state...but I got it and am in love.

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Old 01-05-2019, 10:42 AM   #49
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I have a better idea.
Go buy a tricycle and spend $60k to mod that to your satisfaction.

The saddest part of all this is that rice modders don't even have the driving ability to harness what the stock car can do. Get a Mustang, people !
I don't think you belong on this forum if modding this platform (or any platform) offends you lmao.

You sound like a fickle man.
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Old 01-07-2019, 02:51 PM   #50
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As a two year owner who loves his 86 I sometimes think that people really miss the intent of this car as built by Subaru and largely designed and thought out by Toyota. It is a affordable sporty fun to drive 4 cylinder that gets good gas mileage. A throwback to the Toyota Celica's and Corollas of the early to mid 1980's. In those terms it is great. If you intend to spend 50-60K on it total I would have started with a different car but it is a free country (as of now ) so do as you wish.

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or $50k.........*cough*

purpose built racecars aren't cheap.....or at least quality ones aren't cheap. And for the small handful that are crying about how people who spend that much belong in a different car or are stupid blah blah blah, cry more. Don't get mad at me because I chose to stick with the FA20 to breach the 600 RWHP club. I could have easily spent mcuh less just throwing an LS into it and swapping the trans, but I didn't want to throw the balance off and I wanted big power as a goal. Eveyone has the freedom to spend their money the way they wish, granted we all have different opinions on if that way is smart or not. It's still just your opinion.
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Another thing to consider is how long you intend to keep the car. I can almost guarantee you will never even get close to recovering the cost of the mods if you decide to sell it. The odds are slim to none that you will even find a buyer looking for a car with the exact same upgrades, much less give you what you are asking.

If you are thinking you might trade it for something new, you can probably forget about that altogether. Unless they have a particular buyer already lined up, most new car dealers would likely not want the car at any price. The vast majority of people shopping for a used car on their lots are just not interested in buying one that has been heavily modified. Most are just looking for something with relatively low miles that costs less than buying one new. I know in my own case that was exactly the criteria I used when I bought my 2014 BRZ.

That all being said. If there is little or no chance the money you spend is going to take the food off your table or the roof over your head, then by all means spend what ever it takes to modify the car to your liking and then drive the wheels off it. Just remember there is little chance you will recoup even a small amount of what you have invested.
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This car is thre cheapest of my hobbies.
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How to tell if your car needs more HP
1) Go to track with your unmodded car

2) Use stopwatch and record a few lap times.

3) Have an instructor do a lap.

4) If your time is equal or faster, then add HP
Otherwise, your car doesn’t need horsepower.
It needs the driver mod.
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Driving fast in a car on a track requires lots of skills acquired from practice. The parts modification do help, but if you can't drive, you won't know how to work your car.

Driving fast on the street is reckless and stupid. Leave that for the guys looking to enhance their jail record.

Take your car to autocross. You must understand how to handle your OWN car to get an idea of what needs to be done.

I would prefer handling and suspension over power any day on the race track.
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cars don't ruin anything. we do it to ourselves.

i've got a wishlist with ITB's on it... the car doesn't need it. i don't need it. but i sure want it!
Those Greddy ITB's keep calling out to me, must resist!
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