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krayzie · 07-08-2016, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Axel

I hear this optional engine upgrade is plug-and-play!!

It's just an EJ20 you can get that off a WRX STI.

Mr.Impreza · 07-09-2016, 11:50 AM

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Lantana frs · 07-09-2016, 12:26 PM

I don't think the manifold change is for performance. Imo it was for cost and or durability.

krayzie · 07-09-2016, 12:29 PM

The new car no longer looks as good because they are trying to incorporate design cues from other cars in the line-up, whereas the original car design was a fresh departure from the rest.

In the old days the same manufacturer may have models in the same lineup that have totally different design personalities, in addition to real pronounceable names.

Japanese marketers these days are too westernized, overly obsessive with brand recognition and so-called unified design language (more like cost cutting designers' brain power and development time).

nikitopo · 07-09-2016, 12:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axel

I hear this optional engine upgrade is plug-and-play!!

mike2100 · 07-09-2016, 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Lantana frs

I don't think the manifold change is for performance. Imo it was for cost and or durability.

I noticed the new manifold doesn't have a cover labeled with Toyota D-4S. And one of the reviews said something about a "new direct injection system." I wonder if they switched over to full time direct injection.

I haven't seen the engine bay of a Toyota 86. I wonder if it's getting the same new engine...

Guff · 07-09-2016, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by mike2100

I noticed the new manifold doesn't have a cover labeled with Toyota D-4S. And one of the reviews said something about a "new direct injection system." I wonder if they switched over to full time direct injection.

I haven't seen the engine bay of a Toyota 86. I wonder if it's getting the same new engine...

Nope same D4S, thank god. They just switched up some DI components. And yeah the Toyota is getting the revised engine as well.

nikitopo · 07-09-2016, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by mike2100

I noticed the new manifold doesn't have a cover labeled with Toyota D-4S. And one of the reviews said something about a "new direct injection system." I wonder if they switched over to full time direct injection.

I haven't seen the engine bay of a Toyota 86. I wonder if it's getting the same new engine...

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Originally Posted by Guff

Nope same D4S, thank god. They just switched up some DI components. And yeah the Toyota is getting the revised engine as well.

Full time direct injection in FA20DIT. Valves after 13,000 miles:

Valves after 34,000 miles:

We are lucky to have D-4S. Power is not always everything.

Guff · 07-09-2016, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by nikitopo

Full time direct injection in FA20DIT. Valves after 13,000 miles:

Valves after 34,000 miles:

We are lucky to have D-4S. Power is not always everything.

D4S also provides expandability in fueling. While the WRX guys are stuck with the DI injectors that they have, we can throw in 1000cc port injectors in or our cars and pile on the boost no prob. It's a really versatile system!

chaoskaze · 07-09-2016, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lantana frs

I don't think the manifold change is for performance. Imo it was for cost and or durability.

This, most things were done for durability especially on the engine.

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krayzie · 07-09-2016, 09:01 PM

Holy shit the valves are all caked up like Bimmer or VW/Audi DI engines with such low mileage. It needs a walnut blasting job.

For example, I heard a 4.2L V8 FSI Audi RS4 loses like about 100hp with this kind of issue.

One reason I went with the BRZ is due to availability of port injection on top of direct injection.

I think Toyota now even includes a cleaning routine with D4-S on their 3.5L engine.

Lantana frs · 07-09-2016, 09:52 PM

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Originally Posted by chaoskaze

This, most things were done for durability especially on the engine.

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I had thought the plastic intake was to minimize heat soak. Guess not. I wouldn't be surprised if the runners are a little longer to bolster midrange.

Oxyg3n · 07-10-2016, 05:52 PM

This just came to my mind. For all this time I was planning to pay under 29,000 for the limited brz and planning to place an order for the 2017. But since doing this will require possibly paying mrsp which is about 27,500, would that equate to a 30k-31k car after all taxes and fees?

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raven1231 · 07-10-2016, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by krayzie

Holy shit the valves are all caked up like Bimmer or VW/Audi DI engines with such low mileage. It needs a walnut blasting job.

For example, I heard a 4.2L V8 FSI Audi RS4 loses like about 100hp with this kind of issue.

One reason I went with the BRZ is due to availability of port injection on top of direct injection.

I think Toyota now even includes a cleaning routine with D4-S on their 3.5L engine.

Yeah, EGR and TGV deletes pretty much make it a non issue. Still sucks though.

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krayzie Drive From Home Join Date: Dec 2013 Drives: BRZ STI Performance Location: Filth City Posts: 4,914 Thanks: 2,368 Thanked 3,111 Times in 2,007 Posts Mentioned: 30 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	Holy shit the valves are all caked up like Bimmer or VW/Audi DI engines with such low mileage. It needs a walnut blasting job. For example, I heard a 4.2L V8 FSI Audi RS4 loses like about 100hp with this kind of issue. One reason I went with the BRZ is due to availability of port injection on top of direct injection. I think Toyota now even includes a cleaning routine with D4-S on their 3.5L engine. Last edited by krayzie; 07-09-2016 at 09:15 PM.

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