Brake Pads: Stop Tech Street Performance vs. Ferodo DS2500 vs. Carbotech XP10?

[ollie]

I would use Project MU performance pads, a little pricy and upgrade your rotors to slotted to keep them running cooler.


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[Smurfette]

What's the best place to buy XP10's from?

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Smurfette

What's the best place to buy XP10's from?

I got mine from Forged Performance since they are on the east coast (closer to me) and I needed them shipped quickly for a track event. Good price and fast shipping.

That said, I like supporting @CSG_Mike when I can. He's a great resource for the forum and does a lot of "work" testing products on the track for this platform. Very knowledgeable/friendly guy.

[BatStig]

Originally Posted by Smurfette

What's the best place to buy XP10's from?

@DarkSunrise got it right: www.counterspacegarage.com Damn good guys!

[Smurfette]

Just to follow-up, I ended up going with the StopTechs (with Motol 600 RBF) and they have been great for the last 2 track days. This may be because I'm not driving/braking hard enough (~4:08 lap time at Thunderhill) or since it's a 5 mile track there's a lot of cooling off time.

[strat61caster]

Originally Posted by Smurfette

Just to follow-up, I ended up going with the StopTechs (with Motol 600 RBF) and they have been great for the last 2 track days. This may be because I'm not driving/braking hard enough (~4:08 lap time at Thunderhill) or since it's a 5 mile track there's a lot of cooling off time.

Out of curiosity, is that running the full West track? When I went for the first time last weekend they added a bypass and removed turns 8W-9W-10W basically making a straight between 7W and 1W (see this map)

Comparing times at Thill is getting more and more difficult with how many configurations they can run... Both times I went going up the hill at 5E was the default, but I've seen some vids of people bypassing it...

Glad to hear the stoptechs are working for you!

Edit: best video I've seen is a guy in a relatively stock RX-8 running ~3:51 or thereabouts that talks through each corner, but that was going through every corner so my time isn't comparable to that.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by Smurfette

Just to follow-up, I ended up going with the StopTechs (with Motol 600 RBF) and they have been great for the last 2 track days. This may be because I'm not driving/braking hard enough (~4:08 lap time at Thunderhill) or since it's a 5 mile track there's a lot of cooling off time.

As you get faster, you'll absolutely need to step up pads; the Stoptech compound is a street formulation.

[Smurfette]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Out of curiosity, is that running the full West track? When I went for the first time last weekend they added a bypass and removed turns 8W-9W-10W basically making a straight between 7W and 1W (see this map)

Comparing times at Thill is getting more and more difficult with how many configurations they can run... Both times I went going up the hill at 5E was the default, but I've seen some vids of people bypassing it...

Glad to hear the stoptechs are working for you!

Edit: best video I've seen is a guy in a relatively stock RX-8 running ~3:51 or thereabouts that talks through each corner, but that was going through every corner so my time isn't comparable to that.

I was running the bypass on 5E and 7-1W. No doubt I am slow, but I'm smooooth.

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

As you get faster, you'll absolutely need to step up pads; the Stoptech compound is a street formulation.

Yep! Eventually I will upgrade, but I think the StopTechs were a good start!

[glamcem]

I have bunch of brand new and used pads and rotors up for sale, for those who might be interested (as well as many other parts for a track build), since I will soon trade my car for a midsize SUV, I decided to convert it to stock,..
Please see my sale threads or contact me if interested

[AreteAuto]

Originally Posted by Smurfette

Hello! I just bought a 2013 BRZ yesterday as a track toy, and named her Smurfette. I'm reading about what to do to get her track ready and carefully reviewed the brake pad thread. The car currently has Stop Tech Street Performance pads that are low, so I was planning on putting on a new pair (front and rear) and doing a brake flush with Motul 600, as both were completed ~20k miles ago. The car also has my favorite tire, the Michelin Pilot Super Sport. I will probably use the car as a daily once or twice a week.

Is there anything else I need to do to prepare the car? My goal is to last an entire track day and not experience any brake fade. I know the Ferodo DS2500 and Carbotech XP10 are favored, but they are also a lot more expensive (2-3x). Is it worth it?

I have a decent amount of track experience in a Porsche Cayman S. I've always run OEM brakes/fluids and had it maintained by the dealer and independent shops, so I'm very new to self-prep and maintenance. I've never had any brake fade with the Porsche.

If brakes fade towards the end of a session, do I need to bleed them or just let them cool down to work again? I hope to do 1-2 track days a month, maybe explore some twisty roads, and meet other enthusiasts in NorCal!

There's one thing you should know before approaching the brakes on this car. The BRZ/FRS KILLS the front brakes in terms of heat. It's really kinda ridiculous for its weight and speed(or lack thereof), but I would throw the best you can find at the front. I've hear just going for a sprint BBK is the best option, and then the rears are pretty simple to upgrade. Oh, and better fluid is a must. I'm gunna run Motul 600. Can't really go wrong with it. Remember, this isn't a Porsche...not even close...

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by AreteAuto

There's one thing you should know before approaching the brakes on this car. The BRZ/FRS KILLS the front brakes in terms of heat. It's really kinda ridiculous for its weight and speed(or lack thereof), but I would throw the best you can find at the front. I've hear just going for a sprint BBK is the best option, and then the rears are pretty simple to upgrade. Oh, and better fluid is a must. I'm gunna run Motul 600. Can't really go wrong with it. Remember, this isn't a Porsche...not even close...

Tracked Porsches kill brakes even worse...

[AreteAuto]

Originally Posted by CSG Mike

Tracked Porsches kill brakes even worse...

Do stock Porsche's, such as the Cayman S, require much upgrading to the brakes for track use? Or are they well-equipped? I'd assume pads at least..
I ask because I am considering one.

[CSG Mike]

Originally Posted by AreteAuto

Do stock Porsche's, such as the Cayman S, require much upgrading to the brakes for track use? Or are they well-equipped? I'd assume pads at least..
I ask because I am considering one.

You will need to upgrade pads and fluid at a minimum. The GT4 is no exception, although I wouldn't forsee a need for a larger BBK with that car, unlike the rest of teh Caymans.

[MaximeT]

Originally Posted by AreteAuto

Do stock Porsche's, such as the Cayman S, require much upgrading to the brakes for track use? Or are they well-equipped? I'd assume pads at least..
I ask because I am considering one.

I'm off topic, but you should check for the shit gear ratios of the manual cars and buy a PDK.