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Captain Snooze · 01-17-2015, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by ducky369

By the way, I don't know why people keep thinking the stock rims are butt ugly. They looks fine to me. Definitely not as good as rpf1 but better than those Honda and Nissan rims IMO

Yeah but are you going to buy the same rims again after you wear out the oem rims?

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ducky369 · 01-17-2015, 05:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain Snooze

Yeah but are you going to buy the same rims again after you wear out the oem rims?

If they are cheap, and I'm dirt broke. I don't mind buying it off someone who just got their car and swapping out their rims.

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DohcTor · 01-17-2015, 06:14 AM

According to 86 owners, changing the tires will allow this car to beat lambos around the track

billyk · 01-17-2015, 08:16 AM

I am one of the newest folks around here, so I'll throw that right out so I don't appear to be talking from years of experience - I know my place - I am an FRS noob.

So, the first thing I looked at is where the OP is from - Cali. These tires are not bad for drivers in that part of the country.

I too liked the stock tires on dry pavement, in warm weather. They were fun to drive on, for sure.

I bought my FRS in November, and here in MD, we start getting Wintery weather shortly after. The Primacy HDs, IMO, leave a lot to be desired when driving in cold and/or wet, and/or snow. Enter Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3's. These tires out-perform the HP's on absolutely every front, very substantially, and I believe they cost less than the HP's. The Michelin's grip is way beyond the HP's, and they are barely affected by wet conditions. In snow, they are way better than the HPs - no comparison - but still, they are A/S's, not to be compared with dedicated snows. On the down side, given what I've learned here, some Michelin PS A/S 3 owners are not getting near 45k mileage on them. I need to see what I get out of them.

So, IMO the Michelin's are so superior, they might be the best first choice for any FRS owner, regardless of where they live.

Teseo · 01-17-2015, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by billyk

I am one of the newest folks around here, so I'll throw that right out so I don't appear to be talking from years of experience - I know my place - I am an FRS noob.

So, the first thing I looked at is where the OP is from - Cali. These tires are not bad for drivers in that part of the country.

I too liked the stock tires on dry pavement, in warm weather. They were fun to drive on, for sure.

I bought my FRS in November, and here in MD, we start getting Wintery weather shortly after. The Primacy HDs, IMO, leave a lot to be desired when driving in cold and/or wet, and/or snow. Enter Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3's. These tires out-perform the HP's on absolutely every front, very substantially, and I believe they cost less than the HP's. The Michelin's grip is way beyond the HP's, and they are barely affected by wet conditions. In snow, they are way better than the HPs - no comparison - but still, they are A/S's, not to be compared with dedicated snows. On the down side, given what I've learned here, some Michelin PS A/S 3 owners are not getting near 45k mileage on them. I need to see what I get out of them.

So, IMO the Michelin's are so superior, they might be the best first choice for any FRS owner, regardless of where they live.

How much cost those tires?

Grim-Reaper · 01-17-2015, 08:45 AM

I don't like the primacys :-/
Here in Germany it rains a lot and you have the Autobahn with unlimited parts were you can go a lot faster than US highway speed. And for both those situations they are not my first choice. They are indeed fun for little sliding at low speed but the more narrow the roads get the less time you are using it like that.

I'm going for 225 Continental Sportcontact 5 this summer.

billyk · 01-17-2015, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Teseo

How much cost those tires?

I found a great discount retailer nearby me - lower prices than Sears. I paid $620 mounted, balanced, taxes/fees, out-the-door.

billyk · 01-17-2015, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Grim-Reaper

I don't like the primacys :-/
Here in Germany it rains a lot and you have the Autobahn with unlimited parts were you can go a lot faster than US highway speed. And for both those situations they are not my first choice. They are indeed fun for little sliding at low speed but the more narrow the roads get the less time you are using it like that.

I'm going for 225 Continental Sportcontact 5 this summer.

FRS + Autobahn =

I need to visit Germany.

kodyo · 01-17-2015, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by ducky369

For some

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axelo · 01-17-2015, 10:51 AM

I'm getting a set of the primacy for circuit "fun"...for me its all about me having fun, so i'm forgetting about lowering my times on the track and focusing on being the happiest guy with the biggest smile there. "Fun"=sliding, drifting, making noise....you guys know what i mean
The primacy like any other performance tire got their use and place....for me its not public roads, for my driving anyway.

Braces · 01-17-2015, 12:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tcoat

I am with you!
They didn't pick these tires because it was all they had to chose from.
.

Sometimes I wonder. It seems to me that car manufacturers have a contract to buy tires only from a certain tire vendor.

Your getting those tires because this was pre-arranged by the car/tire companies.

Tcoat · 01-17-2015, 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Braces

Sometimes I wonder. It seems to me that car manufacturers have a contract to buy tires only from a certain tire vendor.

Your getting those tires because this was pre-arranged by the car/tire companies.

Yes they are contracted but the car companies set the specs not the suppliers. Parts manufacturers have to meet the car companies, specs, price point and demand not the other way around.

carma143 · 01-17-2015, 12:55 PM

I live in Southern Cali. Had to replace my OEM tires and it cost ~$930. Asked what Michelin summer tires they had. Walked out paying ~$500.

TheVoiceOfReason · 01-17-2015, 01:16 PM

Our stock tires are 182 on tire rack. A/S 3's, which I also chose to replace them for maryland driving, are only 142. I don't believe the A/S 3's were out when the car came out, but I'm sure there was something comparable. Here is a list of some of the ratings betweeen these tires.

Primacy vs A/S 3
Price $182 vs $148
Treadwear 240 vs 500
Hydroplaning resistance 7.7 vs 9.0
Wet Traction 7.5 vs 9.1
Dry Traction 8.0 vs 9.2
Steering response 8.1 vs 9.1
Ride comfort 7.6 vs 8.5
noise comfort 7.3 vs 8.1

Primacies have no ratings on their snow/ice abilty because they are summer tires. I was fine with the stock tires when it was dry and warm too, but it's not like that all year. It suprises me they put a summer tire on a car sold in so many different areas, when there are all seasons with specs far better that look basically the same and should last longer.

01-17-2015, 10:51 AM	#24
axelo Banned Join Date: Oct 2012 Drives: Whiteout frs Location: PR Posts: 188 Thanks: 214 Thanked 86 Times in 52 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 1 Thread(s)	I'll get them again.. I'm getting a set of the primacy for circuit "fun"...for me its all about me having fun, so i'm forgetting about lowering my times on the track and focusing on being the happiest guy with the biggest smile there. "Fun"=sliding, drifting, making noise....you guys know what i mean The primacy like any other performance tire got their use and place....for me its not public roads, for my driving anyway.

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DohcTor Banned Join Date: Nov 2014 Drives: Low and fast Location: Visalia Posts: 118 Thanks: 0 Thanked 33 Times in 21 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	According to 86 owners, changing the tires will allow this car to beat lambos around the track

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billyk Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Drives: 2014 Argento FR-S Location: MD Posts: 273 Thanks: 134 Thanked 190 Times in 83 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I am one of the newest folks around here, so I'll throw that right out so I don't appear to be talking from years of experience - I know my place - I am an FRS noob. So, the first thing I looked at is where the OP is from - Cali. These tires are not bad for drivers in that part of the country. I too liked the stock tires on dry pavement, in warm weather. They were fun to drive on, for sure. I bought my FRS in November, and here in MD, we start getting Wintery weather shortly after. The Primacy HDs, IMO, leave a lot to be desired when driving in cold and/or wet, and/or snow. Enter Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3's. These tires out-perform the HP's on absolutely every front, very substantially, and I believe they cost less than the HP's. The Michelin's grip is way beyond the HP's, and they are barely affected by wet conditions. In snow, they are way better than the HPs - no comparison - but still, they are A/S's, not to be compared with dedicated snows. On the down side, given what I've learned here, some Michelin PS A/S 3 owners are not getting near 45k mileage on them. I need to see what I get out of them. So, IMO the Michelin's are so superior, they might be the best first choice for any FRS owner, regardless of where they live.

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Grim-Reaper Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Drives: GT86 '13 AT, Supra 3.0i Turbo' 91 Location: Germany Posts: 39 Thanks: 48 Thanked 11 Times in 7 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I don't like the primacys :-/ Here in Germany it rains a lot and you have the Autobahn with unlimited parts were you can go a lot faster than US highway speed. And for both those situations they are not my first choice. They are indeed fun for little sliding at low speed but the more narrow the roads get the less time you are using it like that. I'm going for 225 Continental Sportcontact 5 this summer.

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carma143 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2014 Drives: Toyota Highlander; Subaru BRZ (SWP) Location: California Posts: 431 Thanks: 137 Thanked 156 Times in 95 Posts Mentioned: 1 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	I live in Southern Cali. Had to replace my OEM tires and it cost ~$930. Asked what Michelin summer tires they had. Walked out paying ~$500.

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TheVoiceOfReason Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Drives: BRZ Limited Location: Maryland Posts: 203 Thanks: 289 Thanked 234 Times in 97 Posts Mentioned: 2 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Our stock tires are 182 on tire rack. A/S 3's, which I also chose to replace them for maryland driving, are only 142. I don't believe the A/S 3's were out when the car came out, but I'm sure there was something comparable. Here is a list of some of the ratings betweeen these tires. Primacy vs A/S 3 Price $182 vs $148 Treadwear 240 vs 500 Hydroplaning resistance 7.7 vs 9.0 Wet Traction 7.5 vs 9.1 Dry Traction 8.0 vs 9.2 Steering response 8.1 vs 9.1 Ride comfort 7.6 vs 8.5 noise comfort 7.3 vs 8.1 Primacies have no ratings on their snow/ice abilty because they are summer tires. I was fine with the stock tires when it was dry and warm too, but it's not like that all year. It suprises me they put a summer tire on a car sold in so many different areas, when there are all seasons with specs far better that look basically the same and should last longer.

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