Weight of FT-86? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Levi · 05-23-2011, 03:36 PM

Hi everybody!
From when I heard about this Toyota/Subaru I was very excited to see it one day on our roads and own one. I am a BMW fan and an Alfa Romeo owner. I yet owe and an other old Alfa Romeo 145 with a 1.7l Boxer engine and I love it.
The car concept I like it front engine, rear wheel drive, manual transmission and naturally aspirated high revving engines. Of course I like the car to be very light. If to look at these criterias, the FT-86 is the perfect car for me. M3 is too heavy, Cayman and Lotus have the engine at the back, the 911 GT3 is too expensive...

So, back to topic, are there any infos on the wieght of the FT86? The last Alfa Romeo 4C Concept weighs 870 kg, but it seems to be all made of carbon fiber, what I don't think will make it to production, also it has the engine at the back. I would love it to be at least 1200 kg (DIN)! Any confirmation?

Thanks.

OldSkoolToys · 05-23-2011, 03:41 PM

I would love for it to be at MOST 1200kg.

Nothing official on its production weight. The mk1 concept, the original FT-86, is listed as 1000kg in Gran Turismo 5, but that means very little.

This is probably the most anticipated, argued, and needed stat amongst the real fanbase of this car.

Levi · 05-23-2011, 03:53 PM

Thanks. I care about the weight not only for handling but also for straight line performance. In order for a NA 2.0l to be accelerate fast is has to be very light. It would be awesome if it weighed 1000 kg!

Ramo · 05-23-2011, 05:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Levi

Hi everybody!
From when I heard about this Toyota/Subaru I was very excited to see it one day on our roads and own one. I am a BMW fan and an Alfa Romeo owner. I yet owe and an other old Alfa Romeo 145 with a 1.7l Boxer engine and I love it.
The car concept I like it front engine, rear wheel drive, manual transmission and naturally aspirated high revving engines. Of course I like the car to be very light. If to look at these criterias, the FT-86 is the perfect car for me. M3 is too heavy, Cayman and Lotus have the engine at the back, the 911 GT3 is too expensive...

So, back to topic, are there any infos on the wieght of the FT86? The last Alfa Romeo 4C Concept weighs 870 kg, but it seems to be all made of carbon fiber, what I don't think will make it to production, also it has the engine at the back. I would love it to be at least 1200 kg (DIN)! Any confirmation?

Thanks.

Hi Levi, from a recent article by Autocar, FT-86 could have a weight of 1100 kg. http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsAr...llCars/256560/

In real terms I believe that the final weight will be at around 1250/1350 kg. A good result for a modern ad safe sport car. But I would like to find also a turbocharged option under the bonet. NA engine (around 200 hp) for tha entry-level. 270 for the turbo version. It would be great.

Saluti concittadino

ryun84 · 05-23-2011, 07:20 PM

1350 kg = fail

madfast · 05-23-2011, 08:06 PM

the s2000 was smaller and that car weighed 2800+ lbs. dont like to compare to convertibles? the 370z is similar in size, and a pig at 3200+ lbs. Genesis coupe 2.0T is also 3200+ lbs. whatever number you want the car to weigh, add 200 lbs on that figure and that's probably what it'll end up as...

serialk11r · 05-23-2011, 08:11 PM

Genesis coupe is bigger, and they made an attempt at making the interior more upscale. 370Z has an engine that's twice as big.
S2k is pretty heavy, but they can beat it I think. Celica was under 2500 right? Add rear wheel drive, maybe some extra modern goodies, 2700-2800 shouldn't be too hard, no?

Laika · 05-23-2011, 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madfast

the s2000 was smaller and that car weighed 2800+ lbs. dont like to compare to convertibles? the 370z is similar in size, and a pig at 3200+ lbs. Genesis coupe 2.0T is also 3200+ lbs. whatever number you want the car to weigh, add 200 lbs on that figure and that's probably what it'll end up as...

Perfect, I want it to weigh 1000 pounds

Allch Chcar · 05-23-2011, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryun84

1350 kg = fail

Actually, I remember an interview from way back where they stated a goal of less than 1300kg or 2866lbs. So yeah that would be a failure.

Ryephile · 05-24-2011, 10:45 AM

I'm going to reference the Miata's weight. The Grand Touring trim is quoted at 2511 lbs [1139 Kg]. Considering the added weight of rear side glass, a bit longer body, and the structure of the roof, an overall stiffer unibody, and more airbags, I'm going to stick with the popular estimate of 2700 lbs [1225 Kg]

Fingers crossed!

madfast · 05-24-2011, 12:35 PM

i personally peg this car at about 2800.

safety standards have mandated a ton of things like side airbags, stability control, pedestrian front crash standards, etc. also if you dont want a crappy crash rating, you will over engineer things. add in the ever growing lust for technology in cars (bluetooth, ipod, nav, etc.) and you end up with the heavy cars of today.

Matador · 05-24-2011, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madfast

the s2000 was smaller and that car weighed 2800+ lbs. dont like to compare to convertibles? the 370z is similar in size, and a pig at 3200+ lbs. Genesis coupe 2.0T is also 3200+ lbs. whatever number you want the car to weigh, add 200 lbs on that figure and that's probably what it'll end up as...

So 2650 - 2750 lbs then?

Quote:

Originally Posted by ryun84

1350 kg = fail

Dimman · 05-24-2011, 05:33 PM

Give me 2500lbs or give me death!!!

(well maybe not the death part...)

arsenaljohn · 05-24-2011, 06:03 PM

My dad, a field technical specialist for Toyota, has been told by a top 10 toyota exec that weight will be between 2600 and 2700 pounds. he has also been told power will definetly be 200 bhp

05-23-2011, 03:36 PM	#1
Levi Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: Toyota Location: Germany Posts: 1,202 Thanks: 134 Thanked 138 Times in 90 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Weight of FT-86? Hi everybody! From when I heard about this Toyota/Subaru I was very excited to see it one day on our roads and own one. I am a BMW fan and an Alfa Romeo owner. I yet owe and an other old Alfa Romeo 145 with a 1.7l Boxer engine and I love it. The car concept I like it front engine, rear wheel drive, manual transmission and naturally aspirated high revving engines. Of course I like the car to be very light. If to look at these criterias, the FT-86 is the perfect car for me. M3 is too heavy, Cayman and Lotus have the engine at the back, the 911 GT3 is too expensive... So, back to topic, are there any infos on the wieght of the FT86? The last Alfa Romeo 4C Concept weighs 870 kg, but it seems to be all made of carbon fiber, what I don't think will make it to production, also it has the engine at the back. I would love it to be at least 1200 kg (DIN)! Any confirmation? Thanks.

05-24-2011, 10:45 AM	#10
Ryephile Hot Dog Join Date: Apr 2011 Drives: quicker than arghx7 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 1,316 Thanks: 103 Thanked 173 Times in 83 Posts Mentioned: 6 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I'm going to reference the Miata's weight. The Grand Touring trim is quoted at 2511 lbs [1139 Kg]. Considering the added weight of rear side glass, a bit longer body, and the structure of the roof, an overall stiffer unibody, and more airbags, I'm going to stick with the popular estimate of 2700 lbs [1225 Kg] Fingers crossed! __________________ "Wisdom is a not a function of age, but a function of experience." Just Say No to unqualified aftermarket products.

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Levi Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: Toyota Location: Germany Posts: 1,202 Thanks: 134 Thanked 138 Times in 90 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Thanks. I care about the weight not only for handling but also for straight line performance. In order for a NA 2.0l to be accelerate fast is has to be very light. It would be awesome if it weighed 1000 kg!

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ryun84 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2010 Drives: 04 PSM WRX Wagon Location: Irvine, CA Posts: 385 Thanks: 0 Thanked 4 Times in 3 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	1350 kg = fail

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madfast Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: 2010 Evo X MR-T Location: NY Posts: 942 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 11 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	the s2000 was smaller and that car weighed 2800+ lbs. dont like to compare to convertibles? the 370z is similar in size, and a pig at 3200+ lbs. Genesis coupe 2.0T is also 3200+ lbs. whatever number you want the car to weigh, add 200 lbs on that figure and that's probably what it'll end up as...

05-24-2011, 12:35 PM	#11
madfast Senior Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: 2010 Evo X MR-T Location: NY Posts: 942 Thanks: 0 Thanked 21 Times in 11 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	i personally peg this car at about 2800. safety standards have mandated a ton of things like side airbags, stability control, pedestrian front crash standards, etc. also if you dont want a crappy crash rating, you will over engineer things. add in the ever growing lust for technology in cars (bluetooth, ipod, nav, etc.) and you end up with the heavy cars of today.

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arsenaljohn Member Join Date: May 2011 Drives: none Location: none Posts: 19 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	My dad, a field technical specialist for Toyota, has been told by a top 10 toyota exec that weight will be between 2600 and 2700 pounds. he has also been told power will definetly be 200 bhp

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