Potential Cause of rumored GR86’s blown engine? Seal packing(RTV) was peeled off

[strat61caster]

Baffling, they built a car with a defect, toyobaru may get away with not fixing it but I know I’ve crossed both off my list of future fun cars. Why on earth would I want a rwd lightweight coupe I can’t beat on? Why would I trust a company who pulls this shit? Corporate defenders need not respond, Mazda and Porsche are the way to go if you need to rely on the factory warranty. Maybe bmw and Honda if you’ve got good dealers.

This isn’t new, they denied plenty of legitimate claims on FA20’s no surprise we have at least two public cases of FA24’s and a handful less public. I expect more over the coming years and that won’t make it any less shitty.

[vindiesel]

Originally Posted by strat61caster

Baffling, they built a car with a defect, toyobaru may get away with not fixing it but I know I’ve crossed both off my list of future fun cars. Why on earth would I want a rwd lightweight coupe I can’t beat on? Why would I trust a company who pulls this shit? Corporate defenders need not respond, Mazda and Porsche are the way to go if you need to rely on the factory warranty. Maybe bmw and Honda if you’ve got good dealers.

This isn’t new, they denied plenty of legitimate claims on FA20’s no surprise we have at least two public cases of FA24’s and a handful less public. I expect more over the coming years and that won’t make it any less shitty.

The only defense from a reasonable perspective would be from a company standpoint is to worry about the majority not the minority of issues. It would be different if 100's 1000s of brz's gr86's having destroyed engines and they definitively say the culprit was rtv only (show far it has been multiple contributing factors some of which is pure speculation).



Then instead of the company paying for 100's 1000's of blocks to get replaced on their dime they would easily warrant a recall. If only a handful of engines are dying and the people that are idiotic enough to record them on track, post photos and reveal it to the public before consulting with toyota or subaru (regardless of a advertised "track enthusiast vehicle") to say it was a warranty engine defect issue then on some level I can see how a company may venture into denying a warranty and on the other side I can see why regardless of evidence a company should back a customer. Its a slippery slope on both parts.



I think if you avidly track your car then a rtv cleaning and baffle should be well within your budget if your an autocross/track driver.


If your joe smoe like me that uses it commute and the occasional romp in the mountains then it is a toss up to even bother dropping the pan or really I have to ask myself how long I plan on keeping this vehicle to make that investment. If I can ask my dealer into dropping the pan and if the oil tube is clogged they pay for it if not then I pay for labor that is a conversation Im going to have at my next oil change. If I have to go to an independent shop (if I plan on keeping this vehicle past its 7year warranty) then I will do it asap still contemplating.



In regards to not buying a gr86 or brz or selling it asap because of a few people blowing up their engines I think that would be impulsive at this point in time and based off a few data points which is ignorant to say the least.

[GDIsteve]

This guy blew up his car? You don't say... I took this screenshot a while ago when he first posted the thread to reddit. He has since deleted the comment of course. https://i.ibb.co/9pXp0Mv/Screenshot-20230523-175414.png
The wonky crop is from a RIF screencap on my phone, if you're wondering.


I'm thinking this guy just treated his car like sh*t, simple as. Then he goes out and blows it up on the racetrack while filming because it worked already for someone else to get a new motor.


This was the original thread he posted that comment in. https://www.reddit.com/r/ft86/commen...d_i_dont_have/

[Arthur-A]

Originally Posted by GDIsteve

I'm thinking this guy just treated his car like sh*t, simple as.

Define treating car like shit. Do you think driving it sideways in snow (or any other types of "performance/spirited" driving? Taking it to a racetrack?

You can't be serious, right?

Dang, this corporate bootliking is hillarious.

[GDIsteve]

Originally Posted by Arthur-A

Define treating car like shit.

literally bragging about ignoring the break in period on the internet kind of suggests he wasn't the most meticulous at taking care of it? Yes, I would totally define spinning your car and going full send the week you got it as mistreating it.

[DarkSunrise]

Originally Posted by Arthur-A

Define treating car like shit. Do you think driving it sideways in snow (or any other types of "performance/spirited" driving? Taking it to a racetrack?

You can't be serious, right?

Dang, this corporate bootliking is hillarious.

Probably referring to the car being in the break-in period at the time.

Don’t kid yourself though, there are plenty of people legitimately beating the **** out of these cars in stupid ways.

This has been happening way too often. This is exactly the reason why I just traded in my GR86 last month.  the resale value on these cars are through the roof right now.  I put 12,000 miles on mine in just under a year and my trade-in value is $2250 less than what I paid for the car and I also got a rebate of $750 from my gap insurance.  I did dumb shit with that stupid car all the time so there’s no way that my black box would’ve worked in my favor if the engine popped. 

[BioRebel]

I'm glad I bought mine new, because I would NOT want to buy one of these used.

[gcmak]

Luke shared in the FT86 Discord today that Toyota got back to him today and will now be replacing his engine for him.
(referring to this Luke https://www.thedrive.com/news/toyota...engine-failure)

[Dake]

Outstanding!

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by Spektyr

Okay, here's a better example of why you're wrong:

You get a nail in a tire with road hazard coverage. You keep driving on it while it's flat and you completely shred the tire, damage the wheel, and none of your warranties cover that because you ignored signs of impending damage. If you'd stopped when the tire went flat, everything would have been covered. ALL warranties require the owner to take reasonable action to correct/avoid problems. Failing to do that voids the warranty.


If damage is done by something covered under warranty, but you ignore it and keep driving the damage PAST that point is not covered because you chose to cause it.

Again - I'm not saying that's what happened here, I'm simply saying that based on the VERY limited evidence we have there's at least the possibility that part of the reason the claim was denied may have been that there appears to be wanton disregard for the engine past the point where the warning lights came on.

I don't really think that matters. When you get rod knock, the engine is already is already done for.

[OkieSnuffBox]

Originally Posted by gcmak

Luke shared in the FT86 Discord today that Toyota got back to him today and will now be replacing his engine for him.
(referring to this Luke https://www.thedrive.com/news/toyota...engine-failure)

Good for him. But it sucks that it takes pressure from the national media to get companies to do this.

[Spektyr]

Originally Posted by OkieSnuffBox

I don't really think that matters. When you get rod knock, the engine is already is already done for.

That's kind of my point. If you get rod knock and it's not your fault (ie. should be covered by warranty) it goes one of two ways.

A. You responsibly shut down the engine and get it fixed at the dealership.
B. You keep driving and the engine grenades.

In case B there's theoretically a mix of damage to the engine - the original "covered by warranty" damage and the subsequent "ignored warning signs" damage. Now the former would be covered but is now indistinguishable from the latter. It's not possible for anyone to say which parts or what percent of the total cost to repair should be covered because there was no diagnostic data before the owner crossed the line of what's reasonable.

And if the money is coming out of my wallet (as the warrantor) I'm going to err on the side of keeping my money - particularly if the warrantee has clearly demonstrated they didn't abide by the guidelines of the warranty (continuing to drive a car that has given indication the engine is about to let go.)

Sure, the knock is basically a complete rebuild and it's simpler to just to a shortblock replacement when you have the parts to do that, which is the same repair (most likely) that you'll have to do if you ignore it until you window the block.

Buuuuut... it's basically impossible to prove what was truly wrong at the point you should have stopped driving it.

That's basically my point: if you do what is arguably deliberate damage to the engine you lose the ability to distinguish between what should and should not be covered under warranty, and your decision to do that voids the warranty.

[Dadhawk]

Originally Posted by Spektyr

That's kind of my point. If you get rod knock and it's not your fault (ie. should be covered by warranty) it goes one of two ways.

A. You responsibly shut down the engine and get it fixed at the dealership.
B. You keep driving and the engine grenades.

Let's face it, unless you are a "car guy or gal" rod knock may mean nothing to you. I seriously doubt warranty would be declined because you "drove to far after started". How would the dealer even know?

[NoHaveMSG]

Originally Posted by Spektyr

That's kind of my point. If you get rod knock and it's not your fault (ie. should be covered by warranty) it goes one of two ways.

A. You responsibly shut down the engine and get it fixed at the dealership.

A dealer isn't going to fix an engine with rod knock, they are going to swap the short block at minimum. It was garbage already as has been said before in this thread. It also only takes a very short amount of time before it grenades' after loosing oil pressure.