Supercharging: the forgotten form of FI

[Type[R]+]

Originally Posted by Ryephile

For the numbers queens, supercharging is still king; find me a passenger-car piston engine that makes more power than an NHRA Top Fuel dragster.

Random_art covered it, but find me an NHRA topfuel dragster that uses a passenger car piston engine!

You want to talk passenger cars though? The worlds fastest passenger cars use turbos.

[Neutral_Eyes]

Originally Posted by Type[R]+

Random_art covered it, but find me an NHRA topfuel dragster that uses a passenger car piston engine!

You want to talk passenger cars though? The worlds fastest passenger cars use turbos.

Some of them...

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...m/viewall.html

[Type[R]+]

Originally Posted by Neutral_Eyes

Some of them...

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...m/viewall.html

close, but still no Veyron.

[Random_Art]

The Koenigsegg CCX runs dual Rotrex units.


i know the pic is kinda crummy, but I tried to find one of the actual engine bay. None of the pics of the installed engine show the rotrex units.

[Type[R]+]

Yeah I know, Koenigsegg put the rotrex on the map so to speak.
Rotrex. The closest a supercharger can get to a turbo...

SSC ultimate aero uses twin turbo's, lingenfelter uses twin turbo's, Hennessey uses twin turbo's, and all the V8 dyno comp guys are starting to catch on.......

[madfast]

Originally Posted by Type[R]+

looks like a good little set up there madfast. Is that production engine or aftermarket kit?

all 3!!! there are true aftermarket kits, like the miata kit (originally a cosworth kit) that used a 4th gen eaton; the ZR1, CTS-V, and S4 all use OEM 6th gen TVS eatons; and the TRD tundra SC kit uses a 6th gen TVS eaton as well.

and that's why im optimistic that we may see a TRD kit for the FT. they've already done it with the tundra. AND they used the newest TVS 6th gen eatons with built in water to air IC. also for a flat 4 that's mounted low and close to the firewall, it's screaming for a SC over a complicated turbo setup...

and that's why i started this thread. to show just how far superchargers have come. these arent the archaic units used in the recent past. these new units are heavily engineered OEM quality units.

[Type[R]+]

We actually got a factory TRD Hilux released here, as well as the aftermarket TRD kits. The TRD hilux is still very restricted though, but goes nice.

Aftermarket products for FT86 in general is going to be huge!

[madfast]

Originally Posted by Type[R]+

SSC ultimate aero uses twin turbo's, lingenfelter uses twin turbo's, Hennessey uses twin turbo's, and all the V8 dyno comp guys are starting to catch on.......

but these guys are number chasers. they have to sell their kits and people, stupid people, look only at numbers. when you get to "ludicrous speed" level, its a HP war and a supercharger can never compete.

[blur]

My brother is talking about getting a SC on his tundra . . . I take it you're a fan of them?

[madfast]

Originally Posted by blur

My brother is talking about getting a SC on his tundra . . . I take it you're a fan of them?

superchargers?

pick ups? meh... i can see why people like them, but its not for a city slicker like me...

[blur]

Originally Posted by madfast

superchargers?

pick ups? meh... i can see why people like them, but its not for a city slicker like me...

Im taking performance wise, not chassis.

[Random_Art]

Originally Posted by blur

Im taking performance wise, not chassis.

I keep thinking how funny it would be to gut my Mountaineer, slap a couple of turbos on it, and swap in a tranny from a mustang. Just to see people's faces at the drag strip.

[82mm 4g63]

The only beef I have with that Bullet SC you linked is "OEM high quality Installation with virtually silent Supercharger operation." Where's the fun in that?

Originally Posted by Random_Art

Yeah, I looked at that earlier, though that particular engine had to make some pitiful power to begin with to only get up to 160hp supercharged.

That being said, I feel like I'm one of the relatively few people here planning on a Rotrex build for mine. I was thinking of the C30-94 with a front mount intercooler. Though, I was curious, that kit you linked had a water based intercooler with a front mounted radiator. Do those work better than the standard Air-to-Air intercoolers that you generally find on turbo cars?

Water to Air IC's are superior for race cars, not for daily drivers. Water to air coolers are more efficient so they can be smaller. You can drop ice in the reservoir to radically reduce charge air temps on the track. And you can mount them almost anywhere without worrying about them getting maximum airflow.

However, in a daily driver they can get overwhelmed and heat soaked causing them to be extremely inefficient in long duration trips. That combined with all the added accessories and parts that can fail, I would never go with a water to air intercooler unless it was exclusively a track car. Air to air can handle the job just fine.

[82mm 4g63]

Originally Posted by Random_Art

I keep thinking how funny it would be to gut my Mountaineer, slap a couple of turbos on it, and swap in a tranny from a mustang. Just to see people's faces at the drag strip.

Almost as funny as this.

[u2b]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOmm5cw0DqE[/u2b]

Wood grain side panels and all. lol