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Old 12-18-2019, 03:06 PM   #64233
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What is with the younger generation thinking they need "mental health days" off from work? Isn't that called the weekend? We have one employee here that has taken 17 unexcused days off for sick/mental health days just this year.
IMO call it whatever you want. As long as the day off comes from your vacation/sick time/PTO allotment then who cares?

For me I just have PTO hours, so whether I take vacation or sick time it's all the same.

So sometimes I'll say I need a mental break and take a day off. It means I can take a drive on a fun backroad with minimal traffic because it's a weekday. May as well take advantage.
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Sounds like a management problem to me. I could fix this pretty quickly.
Yeah, that is my take on it. This is one of the reasons that department manager got fired. That shit never flew with me. The company prez really needs to put his foot down on it, but we find it is more of an attitude with a lot of our younger workers. Right now with unemployment rates being so low, people that want to work are working. You have to weed through a lot of crappy resumes for the ones that aren't currently working. It is just becoming more common place in general, especially in west coast states. In the OR public school system students are allowed to take 5 of these in a 3 month period

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not to be "that generation"

but from my point of view, we dont have the "american dream" work schedule

maybe its different for you and your organization, but my "weekends" are random days off throughout the month with no consitatancy.

that said we dont get sick or mental break days. you take leave or show up to work and nose to the grindstone.


on the civillian side of the house, from my understanding we are working longer and more oddly scheduled hours to cover the rising costs of living;
though I would argue that point too...

in short i wanted to say nothing by saying alot.



you guys get mental break days?
Thank you for your service. I know that your schedule is not easy. My dad was a marine for 13 years, don't remember him much then.

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IMO call it whatever you want. As long as the day off comes from your vacation/sick time/PTO allotment then who cares?

For me I just have PTO hours, so whether I take vacation or sick time it's all the same.

So sometimes I'll say I need a mental break and take a day off. It means I can take a drive on a fun backroad with minimal traffic because it's a weekday. May as well take advantage.
Oregon is looking into making it a legitimate reason to miss work and we are not sure if we will be able to "charge" them PTO for it in the future. We have enough staff that they can mostly take a day off anytime if they need to schedule one. But the constant sick calls when they are not physically sick is getting out of hand. Right now the new work policy will be to charge them a PTO day until they make us unable to.
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I am actually looking forward to "unpaid" vacation days. This would allow me to plan around camping trips and track days.

For me, if I have nothing scheduled on an open weekend, why not work some to provide finances for an otherwise expensive and financially amoral hobby?
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I am actually looking forward to "unpaid" vacation days. This would allow me to plan around camping trips and track days.

For me, if I have nothing scheduled on an open weekend, why not work some to provide finances for an otherwise expensive and financially amoral hobby?
Yeah I agree. A lot of the youth today don't have that attitude. I used to work every bit of overtime I can. That was more beer and tacos for the weekend

We just did inventory, pretty much anyone that was allowed to work as much overtime as they wanted..........and no one stayed but us salary chumps.
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What is with the younger generation thinking they need "mental health days" off from work? Isn't that called the weekend? We have one employee here that has taken 17 unexcused days off for sick/mental health days just this year.
it's called being a pu$$y and/or someone that's ok with what is basically theft.
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not to be "that generation"

but from my point of view, we dont have the "american dream" work schedule

maybe its different for you and your organization, but my "weekends" are random days off throughout the month with no consitatancy.

that said we dont get sick or mental break days. you take leave or show up to work and nose to the grindstone.


on the civillian side of the house, from my understanding we are working longer and more oddly scheduled hours to cover the rising costs of living;
though I would argue that point too...

in short i wanted to say nothing by saying alot.



you guys get mental break days?
Even that "other" generation didn't have the dream schedule. Or at least about 95% of them didn't. Many of the things people presume we had are more myth than reality for most working people.


We have a serious attendance problem with people 30 and under. They have been trained (somewhere) that it is OK to just work when you want. They truly do not understand why they are in trouble when they take two or three work days off in their first month of employment.


LOL I frequently say "from the age of 17 to 22 if I didn't show up for work I would end in the brig or painting rocks for a few weekends"
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Old 12-18-2019, 03:53 PM   #64239
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< snip >...the less social skills or common sense they seem to have. Sort of like teachers.
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What is with the younger generation thinking they need "mental health days" off from work? Isn't that called the weekend? We have one employee here that has taken 17 unexcused days off for sick/mental health days just this year.

"Sort of like..." Not even close! Don't get me started on those *&##%$* teachers!
Seventeen days, that's nothing! Teachers in Ontario used to get 20 paid sick days per year. Unused days would automatically roll over to the next year. They averaged 9 days off so the average teacher banked 11 days per year. When they retired/left they could cash in up to 200 of those days. Anything over that was given as time off with pay.
In 2012 the government rolled it back to 11 days with pay and no roll over. Guess what? Teachers now average 11.5 sick/mental health days off per year. Not to mention all the extra prep time and personal development days they get now.
Also they get 190 days at 90% of their full pay. Their pension is over 70% of their highest grossing five years, or it was last I heard.
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Oregon is looking into making it a legitimate reason to miss work and we are not sure if we will be able to "charge" them PTO for it in the future. We have enough staff that they can mostly take a day off anytime if they need to schedule one. But the constant sick calls when they are not physically sick is getting out of hand. Right now the new work policy will be to charge them a PTO day until they make us unable to.
For one thing, that's super odd that Oregon is going to be invasive like that and try to standardize it.

But, I think part of it is a maturity and responsibility problem on the part of workers. Like someone said (maybe @Tcoat), nobody should be taking multiple days off in the first X months of working somewhere (unless there's a legitimately valid reason to).

And mental days off, again, shouldn't just be random days you take off because you don't feel like working. They should only be part of the amount of time you already get off, if you have that time available.

But also, those workers trying to take that time off should also try to make sure that they aren't doing it during a high-pressure time where it would adversely affect coworkers and the actual work itself.
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Even that "other" generation didn't have the dream schedule. Or at least about 95% of them didn't. Many of the things people presume we had are more myth than reality for most working people.


We have a serious attendance problem with people 30 and under. They have been trained (somewhere) that it is OK to just work when you want. They truly do not understand why they are in trouble when they take two or three work days off in their first month of employment.


LOL I frequently say "from the age of 17 to 22 if I didn't show up for work I would end in the brig or painting rocks for a few weekends"
We wrote up 13 people this year for attendance. We only have 28 employees. All of them 30 or younger.

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"Sort of like..." Not even close! Don't get me started on those *&##%$* teachers!
Seventeen days, that's nothing! Teachers in Ontario used to get 20 paid sick days per year. Unused days would automatically roll over to the next year. They averaged 9 days off so the average teacher banked 11 days per year. When they retired/left they could cash in up to 200 of those days. Anything over that was given as time off with pay.
In 2012 the government rolled it back to 11 days with pay and no roll over. Guess what? Teachers now average 11.5 sick/mental health days off per year. Not to mention all the extra prep time and personal development days they get now.
Also they get 190 days at 90% of their full pay. Their pension is over 70% of their highest grossing five years, or it was last I heard.
Teachers are a sore subject here. Their retirement plan more or less bankrupted the state. I just read recently that the public pension deficit is over $26 billion in Oregon. They keep passing new taxes every year to combat it. The newest is a gross receipts tax on any company that sells over $1 million in the state pays .57% of their gross sales. Think about the margins restaurants and grocery stores run on, .57% of their gross is a huge deal. They passed it under the guise of, "it's for the children." But really it is, "we royally f'd up the public pension retirement plan and you guys need to bail us out."

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For one thing, that's super odd that Oregon is going to be invasive like that and try to standardize it.

But, I think part of it is a maturity and responsibility problem on the part of workers. Like someone said (maybe @Tcoat), nobody should be taking multiple days off in the first X months of working somewhere (unless there's a legitimately valid reason to).

And mental days off, again, shouldn't just be random days you take off because you don't feel like working. They should only be part of the amount of time you already get off, if you have that time available.

But also, those workers trying to take that time off should also try to make sure that they aren't doing it during a high-pressure time where it would adversely affect coworkers and the actual work itself.
These aren't new employees. A lot of it comes down to some department managers not working their departments hours. Resentment builds, and it festers from their with the hourly employees. I think it will improve, but it is going to take time. 3 years ago it wasn't a problem.
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For one thing, that's super odd that Oregon is going to be invasive like that and try to standardize it.

But, I think part of it is a maturity and responsibility problem on the part of workers. Like someone said (maybe @Tcoat), nobody should be taking multiple days off in the first X months of working somewhere (unless there's a legitimately valid reason to).

And mental days off, again, shouldn't just be random days you take off because you don't feel like working. They should only be part of the amount of time you already get off, if you have that time available.

But also, those workers trying to take that time off should also try to make sure that they aren't doing it during a high-pressure time where it would adversely affect coworkers and the actual work itself.
Our previous Provincial government gave everybody 10 "emergency" leave days a year with 2 of them being paid. The cost to the employers was staggering. The new government came in and canned all that and rolled it back to 8 with none paid.


The impact of line workers not showing up is far more than anybody would realize. We either have to pay somebody to stay and cover them at time and a half or not make the product. Since we do not have a surplus of people on each shift even one short (out of 80) can be a problem. We average 3 missing per shift!
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Yeah, that is my take on it. This is one of the reasons that department manager got fired. That shit never flew with me. The company prez really needs to put his foot down on it, but we find it is more of an attitude with a lot of our younger workers..
Maybe I read you wrong, but I read it as the guy taking off 17 unpaid days, not 17 PTO days that have been allocated to him.

If he had the days to take, not much I could do about it at least where I work. If you call out for a day, and you have available PTO, you can use it. No explanation necessary. In fact, I'd rather not have one. The women that work for me have a history of oversharing when it comes to PTO days.

If you don't have PTO available then it is an issue because you know you don't have PTO. I need to know why and I need proof if it is chronic (and I mean more than once a year).

Where I work now, they combine it all together (Vacation/Holiday/Sick) so you as an individual have to manage it. It's very generous (you start with 5 weeks and can go up to 7 weeks) with one year of accrual rollover so it's not exactly difficult. We also have extended leave for documented illnesses over 5 business days so you don't eat up all your vacation with one two week bout of the flu. (I work for a hospital system so you don't come to work sick).
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Where I work now, they combine it all together (Vacation/Holiday/Sick) so you as an individual have to manage it. It's very generous (you start with 5 weeks and can go up to 7 weeks) with one year of accrual rollover so it's not exactly difficult. We also have extended leave for documented illnesses over 5 business days so you don't eat up all your vacation with one two week bout of the flu. (I work for a hospital system so you don't come to work sick).
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Maybe I read you wrong, but I read it as the guy taking off 17 unpaid days, not 17 PTO days that have been allocated to him.


No you got it right. I am talking 17 unexcused unscheduled days. Sometimes they will request we apply PTO to that day.

Who is actually sick that much ? I work more unpaid overtime then that a year. And I guarantee I have worked far more hungover then they have been sick and stayed home.
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