follow ft86club on our blog, twitter or facebook.
FT86CLUB
Ft86Club
RR Racing
Register Garage Members List Calendar Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   Scion FR-S Forum | Subaru BRZ Forum | Toyota 86 GT 86 Forum | AS1 Forum - FT86CLUB > Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 > Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum

Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 GT86 General Forum The place to start for the Scion FR-S / Toyota 86 | GT86


User Tag List

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 10-26-2019, 01:02 PM   #15
strat61caster
Thread Killer
 
strat61caster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Drives: '13 FRS
Location: SF Bay Area
Posts: 9,012
Thanks: 12,372
Thanked 8,154 Times in 4,260 Posts
Mentioned: 76 Post(s)
Tagged: 3 Thread(s)
Factory direct vs. middleman markup
__________________
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guff View Post
ineedyourdiddly
strat61caster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2019, 01:37 PM   #16
Rach-82
Member
 
Rach-82's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2019
Drives: 2020 Hakone 86
Location: Seattle-ish
Posts: 21
Thanks: 15
Thanked 17 Times in 9 Posts
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Okay, I had no idea 18" wheels were even a thing here. I dug a little deeper and it looks like the base model has 17s (but 18s are "Available as part of an option package"), and the GT comes with the 18s. Is this new? I thought they always came with 17s.

To make things more confusing, the TRD Handling Package on the base model costs more ($2320). I would guess that the extra grand price difference is the 18" wheels.

It still seems to me that the BRZ Performance Package is a better deal, but I'll quit belaboring the point. I'm getting a Hakone anyway.
Rach-82 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2019, 02:02 PM   #17
Kaotic Lazagna
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Drives: Whiteout FR-S Monogram
Location: Lathrop, CA
Posts: 3,061
Thanks: 1,455
Thanked 1,323 Times in 871 Posts
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rach-82 View Post
Okay, I had no idea 18" wheels were even a thing here. I dug a little deeper and it looks like the base model has 17s (but 18s are "Available as part of an option package"), and the GT comes with the 18s. Is this new? I thought they always came with 17s.

To make things more confusing, the TRD Handling Package on the base model costs more ($2320). I would guess that the extra grand price difference is the 18" wheels.

It still seems to me that the BRZ Performance Package is a better deal, but I'll quit belaboring the point. I'm getting a Hakone anyway.
Yeah, I'm guessing the whole thing with the manual GTs coming with the 18's is new.

For me, if I were to get a twin now, I'd actually go with the BRZ instead since I like the way it looks over the 86 (opposite of the zenki twins, which is why I went with the FR-S).
Kaotic Lazagna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2019, 02:35 PM   #18
Will BRZ
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2018
Drives: 2015 Limited CWP BRZ
Location: Houston, Texas
Posts: 599
Thanks: 363
Thanked 376 Times in 253 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Wow I didnít know these packages were that cheap. No-brainer
Will BRZ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2019, 02:53 PM   #19
Tcoat
He who smelt it...
 
Tcoat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2014
Drives: 14 FRS Hot Lava
Location: London, Ont
Posts: 56,961
Thanks: 50,547
Thanked 79,901 Times in 36,051 Posts
Mentioned: 2060 Post(s)
Tagged: 49 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rach-82 View Post
Okay, I had no idea 18" wheels were even a thing here. I dug a little deeper and it looks like the base model has 17s (but 18s are "Available as part of an option package"), and the GT comes with the 18s. Is this new? I thought they always came with 17s.

To make things more confusing, the TRD Handling Package on the base model costs more ($2320). I would guess that the extra grand price difference is the 18" wheels.

It still seems to me that the BRZ Performance Package is a better deal, but I'll quit belaboring the point. I'm getting a Hakone anyway.
The brembos have to come with the 18s. They wonít fit under the 17s.
__________________
Racecar spelled backwards is Racecar, because Racecar.
Tcoat is online now   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Tcoat For This Useful Post:
JesseG (10-28-2019)
Old 10-26-2019, 04:46 PM   #20
wangson
Member
 
wangson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Drives: 2014 Monogram FR-S Hot Lava
Location: Ontario, CA
Posts: 60
Thanks: 1
Thanked 18 Times in 13 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Handling package also available for automatic?

Can it be bought separately?
wangson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2019, 05:41 PM   #21
Summerwolf
Panda Trueno
 
Summerwolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Drives: 2014 Wrb limited
Location: North Indiana
Posts: 3,169
Thanks: 1,939
Thanked 2,198 Times in 1,236 Posts
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tcoat View Post
The brembos have to come with the 18s. They wonít fit under the 17s.
Current factory performance pack wheels are 17s. I'm guessing Toyota hasnt swapped to a different Brembo package.
Summerwolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-26-2019, 06:41 PM   #22
Kaotic Lazagna
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Drives: Whiteout FR-S Monogram
Location: Lathrop, CA
Posts: 3,061
Thanks: 1,455
Thanked 1,323 Times in 871 Posts
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by wangson View Post
Handling package also available for automatic?

Can it be bought separately?
Only for automatics from the factory. I'm sure you can swap over the brakes and suspension over if you buy them separately.
Kaotic Lazagna is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2019, 09:35 AM   #23
tehShirt
Senior Member
 
tehShirt's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2017
Drives: 2017 BRZ PP
Location: Upstate SC
Posts: 318
Thanks: 367
Thanked 233 Times in 129 Posts
Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Garage
Quote:
Originally Posted by Summerwolf View Post
Current factory performance pack wheels are 17s. I'm guessing Toyota hasnt swapped to a different Brembo package.

I think he means the OEM 17" Toyota wheels won't work with the Brembos.
tehShirt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2019, 09:49 AM   #24
ben721364
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Drives: Porsche Cayman, Audi A3
Location: Central Texas
Posts: 39
Thanks: 0
Thanked 3 Times in 3 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
That one brand lists a package for more than the other lists a similar package for is not important IMO. The bottom line in transaction price comparisons is what is important.
ben721364 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2019, 10:00 AM   #25
Summerwolf
Panda Trueno
 
Summerwolf's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2015
Drives: 2014 Wrb limited
Location: North Indiana
Posts: 3,169
Thanks: 1,939
Thanked 2,198 Times in 1,236 Posts
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by tehShirt View Post
I think he means the OEM 17" Toyota wheels won't work with the Brembos.
Yeah, probably. I think in the grand scheme it doesnt make sense that Toyotas "handling package" not be the same as the subaru "performance package". They use the same components except the wheels. The performance package has different 17s, why dont they carry over? There are lots of funny little quirks between the two brands.
Summerwolf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-27-2019, 12:09 PM   #26
Kaotic Lazagna
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2014
Drives: Whiteout FR-S Monogram
Location: Lathrop, CA
Posts: 3,061
Thanks: 1,455
Thanked 1,323 Times in 871 Posts
Mentioned: 18 Post(s)
Tagged: 2 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Summerwolf View Post
Yeah, probably. I think in the grand scheme it doesnt make sense that Toyotas "handling package" not be the same as the subaru "performance package". They use the same components except the wheels. The performance package has different 17s, why dont they carry over? There are lots of funny little quirks between the two brands.
Maybe to try to distinguish the cars more by having something unique to each (at least here since in other countries, the 86 gets the PP wheels with the PP package).


*Edit: Actually, that was for the previous year. Not sure if they're still using the PP wheels for the 2020 model.

Last edited by Kaotic Lazagna; 10-27-2019 at 01:00 PM.
Kaotic Lazagna is offline   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Kaotic Lazagna For This Useful Post:
Summerwolf (10-27-2019)
Old 10-28-2019, 08:46 AM   #27
J1Avs
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Drives: 2018 BRZ tS
Location: Northern VA
Posts: 346
Thanks: 202
Thanked 178 Times in 97 Posts
Mentioned: 2 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Everyone is also missing a very big component here. The TRD Handling Package is not only 18" wheels/tires over the BRZ Performance Package 17" wheels/tires BUT the TRD Handling Package comes with Michelin Pilot Sport 4's...not Primacy's.

The TRD Handling Package is spec'd as close as possible to the 2020 BRZ tS (I disagree on this naming convention, but that's because I have an 18) sans the STI draw stiffeners and flexible v-bars.

So, value for value -- 75 bucks more for 18" wheels WITH Michelin PS4's is quite the deal when compared to 17" wheels with Michelin Primacy's
J1Avs is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-28-2019, 10:41 AM   #28
Stephen W.
Senior Member
 
Stephen W.'s Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Drives: 2018 CBS BRZ tS
Location: Quinte West Ontario
Posts: 415
Thanks: 103
Thanked 456 Times in 223 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quote:
Originally Posted by J1Avs View Post
Everyone is also missing a very big component here. The TRD Handling Package is not only 18" wheels/tires over the BRZ Performance Package 17" wheels/tires BUT the TRD Handling Package comes with Michelin Pilot Sport 4's...not Primacy's.

The TRD Handling Package is spec'd as close as possible to the 2020 BRZ tS (I disagree on this naming convention, but that's because I have an 18) sans the STI draw stiffeners and flexible v-bars.

So, value for value -- 75 bucks more for 18" wheels WITH Michelin PS4's is quite the deal when compared to 17" wheels with Michelin Primacy's
Someone please check those numbers. The Performance Pack is $2320 on the base model. That's because it looks like the 18" wheels are stock on the GT. If you buy a GT with the PP it's $32,340 according to Toyota's build it web page.
If you buy a BRZ Limited with PP it's $30,940 on their build it page. That's a $1400 savings plus no fugly front end. As well as, there is an argument to be made for 17" over 18" as being better for some not to mention less expensive.
OH... and it looks like Hakone owners can not order the Performance pack. Boooooooo.....
Stephen W. is offline   Reply With Quote
 
Reply

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
NJP SPECIAL DEAL: Toyota 86 emblem + GT86 badge bundle deal! nigel-jdmparts Groupbuys 75 11-20-2014 05:39 AM


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:11 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2019, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Garage vBulletin Plugins by Drive Thru Online, Inc.