Potential buyer looking for stats on range of manual Trans cars

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by jimmy2shoes

Hey guys, new here. I'm thinking about getting a new car soon and a slightly used frs is on the list. My main concern right now is how far this vehicle can be driven on the interstate before needing to be filled up. ............ Really appreciate it. Thanks in advance.

Hello jimmy2shoes and welcome to our helpful forum......

I don't understand why your MAIN concern in choosing a different car is how far it will go on a tank of gas ...... unless your part of the "earth" is out here.

So, why is this so important to you ... ??


humfrz

[geezerbrzeezer]

As mentioned above, that cup of coffee.

You only live once. (There may be some flaky arguments about this, but c'est la vie).

Point is, make yourself happy. Focus less on mileage and the overall fuel consumption/expense, and more on the compromise in your overall expenses that could potentially make this a win win. Brew some for your travel mug, slap together a lunch vs the gut truck or fast food or a diner, quit or reduce the smokes, make your own beer, make your own condoms, shower every other week . . .

It's simply amazing the shit we spend money on every day that seems inconsequential, but actually adds up to thousands per year.

Ditch the Priusing, because there's almost nothing on this planet the will give you that stupid, shit eating grin other than a romp, or the thought of same, in an 86.

[SCQTT]

Originally Posted by humfrz

Hello jimmy2shoes and welcome to our helpful forum......

I don't understand why your MAIN concern in choosing a different car is how far it will go on a tank of gas ...... unless your part of the "earth" is out here.

So, why is this so important to you ... ??


humfrz

I have been there before. Filling up is not a pain in the ass, but it is if you are doing it ALL THE TIME. It is even worse if the cycle of fill ups does not match your commute. We don't all have gas stations every five miles, and filling up when you are at 3/4 means you are not maximizing your capacity and filling up even more often. Combine that with a hectic 32 mile one way commute and you can see that a 350 range would give you 5 full days between fill ups where 300 would give you 4 and a half days. Not the end of the world, but could be a PITA.

When I use to ride my Supermoto to work I had to fill up every day, it sucked even more that I could only add about 60%......just a little more capacity could have made fill ups every other day.

[Tcoat]

Originally Posted by SCQTT

I'll play.

I use to drive 80 miles a day round trip and had a girlfriend that lived 600 miles away. (I moved)

I now work at home and no longer have a girlfriend. Sorta turning feral.

64 miles a day times 250 working days (excludes weekends and 11 additional days)
As a baseline we'll just use your commuting miles. Obviously you'll drive more, but you drive about 16,000 miles per year just getting yourself to work.

Let's just assume gas is $2.50 a gallon

In the Escape you use about 941 gallons, about $2,350 or $195.00 a month.

Let's say you buy something very pedestrian (hybrid) that gets 45 MPG

You would use 355 gallons per year, about $890 per year or $74 per month.

These are the two extremes you will probably not get better than $74 per month or worse than $195 per month.

The difference between the best and the worst is $4.03 a day, probably a cup of coffee.

The difference is $121 a month or $1,452 per year. Certainly NOT enough to justify buying a new car unless you NEED to buy one. Is the Escape worn out? Is the Escape $121 more useful or more fun than something like a Prius?

Now let's take the 86 and say you were able to get 27 out of it. That is 571 gallons per year or $1,428 per year, $119.00 a month. Of course you need premium so lets say $2.80 a gallon so about $1,600 or $133.00 a month.

It is hard to justify making a change unless it is already time for a new car.

When people consider these things they often forget there is a bare minimum they are going to use unless they change homes or jobs. in your case about 16,000 miles per year.

The cheapest thing you can do is probably a Prius at about $75.00 on month.
You could have a bunch more fun driving something like an 86 for about $60.00 more a month, or just keep on driving the Escape for $120 more a month than the Prius or $62 more a month than the 86.

My previous daily drivers were Corollas, on average they got great MPG, about 38. At 16K miles per year I used about $1050 in cheap (2.50) gas.

Let's say I get 27 in my 86. That is $1,660 a year using expensive (2.80) gas.

Not considering the initial cost of the car or the maintenance the 86 will cost me $50 a month more than the boring Corolla.

My 86 is worth $1.70 a day extra compared to the Corolla, but your math may be different.

When you drive an 86 all the cool dudes give you free beer and all women show you their boobs....so right off the bat it is totally worth it.

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[iamjacob]

Originally Posted by SCQTT

When I use to ride my Supermoto to work I had to fill up every day, it sucked even more that I could only add about 60%......just a little more capacity could have made fill ups every other day.

The trade off is that stopping for fuel when you only need a gallon and a half only takes a literal minute or two.

I daily on a ninja 250 that gets about 50mpg with a 4 gallon tank. Fill ups are less than 5 minutes every 2 and a half days.

[00NissanNinja]

I have a BRZ and a 16 mazda 3 hatch. Both are fun to drive though the BRZ is obviously much more fun to drive. The mazda has a real nice shifter for being a cable operated manual. It handles really good as well but does have a bit of body lean.

Driving the BRZ is always going to be more expensive than a car of comparable fuel economy that uses lower octane fuel as it requires higher octane fuel. I usually get low to mid 30s highway and about 26 ish driving in the city. The mazda is only a little better then it for how I drive it at about 28 city mid 30s highway. I'm sure some people might hit 40 mpg in the mazda but I haven't (but I'm not trying to either). However it is cheaper to drive the mazda because it uses lower octane fuel and it also has a larger tank allowing you to drive it further. So my typical range when the fill up light comes on with the BRZ is ~320 miles and with the mazda ~340. So not much difference.

For me I have the mazda for its practicality, cheaper operating cost, and being my daily driver. It definitely is the best handling car in its class and has pretty good performance. But the BRZ is very efficient as long as you don't mind paying for premium gas. It used to be my daily driver before I got the mazda. Either way you'll be making some savings over your escape.

[00NissanNinja]

Originally Posted by iamjacob

I daily on a ninja 250 that gets about 50mpg with a 4 gallon tank.

I miss my 250r...

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by SCQTT

I have been there before. Filling up is not a pain in the ass, but it is if you are doing it ALL THE TIME. It is even worse if the cycle of fill ups does not match your commute. We don't all have gas stations every five miles, and filling up when you are at 3/4 means you are not maximizing your capacity and filling up even more often. Combine that with a hectic 32 mile one way commute and you can see that a 350 range would give you 5 full days between fill ups where 300 would give you 4 and a half days. Not the end of the world, but could be a PITA.

When I use to ride my Supermoto to work I had to fill up every day, it sucked even more that I could only add about 60%......just a little more capacity could have made fill ups every other day.

Well now, SCQTT your example of using a supermoto type bike for a commuter vehicle is a bit apple and orangeish compared to your average car.

So, as you showed, a person with a 64 freeway miles roundtrip commute to work, should be able to commute for at least 5 days in a FR-S before filling up.

My thought is that if anyone is too damn busy on a weekends to stop for 5-10 minutes to refuel .......they are heading for a mental or biological breakdown ....... then they will have lots of free time ......


humfrz

[SCQTT]

Originally Posted by Tcoat

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LOL, I'm horrible at "big" math, but love playing with the little stuff.

Also working in the motorcycle industry my entire life means I have heard lots of people justify their "toys" based on gas savings. It's great if your wife is not good at math, but there is no real savings, but I'll seldom argue with people over it.

[Dake]

The simple answer is 300. All other things being equal you should be able to reliably get 300 miles on a tank of gas in the twins - sometimes more, seldom less. And no matter what, you'll get better than 17 mpg. I averaged better than that on the racetrack.

[billwot]

I've owned mine for 3 years and 33K miles.

Consistently 30-23mpg calculated

Usually fill up at ~350 miles and it takes ~ 11.5 gallons.

[FR-Sky]

why not just get a prius if you concern about gas mileage ?
I have MT, using E85 for long times, $2.4 per gallon, full tank goes about 170-200 miles average. I don't even know whats the gas price for 91 octane nowadays lol.
I think it depends on your driving style,,if you redline every gear you not gonna get good mileage.

[Gil Scott Heron]

Originally Posted by humfrz

I don't understand why your MAIN concern in choosing a different car is how far it will go on a tank of gas ...... unless your part of the "earth" is out here.
humfrz

I've stared down the hood of an NC out toward that same setting many times, humfrz. I think the farthest I ever drove between gas stations was somewhere down around Turlingua, TX. IIRC it was a 100-150 mile stretch of desolate highway. It was the first time I'd ever seen such a long stretch without a coffee and pee break appearing over the horizon somewhere.

My 2017 86 (manual) gets a tad better than 30 mpg calculated at fill up. I drive about 36 miles one way to work, and 95% of my commute is 65-80 mph interstate driving.

The average fuel economy gauge indicates 32 mpg, FWIW.

[humfrz]

Originally Posted by Gil Scott Heron

I've stared down the hood of an NC out toward that same setting many times, humfrz. I think the farthest I ever drove between gas stations was somewhere down around Turlingua, TX. IIRC it was a 100-150 mile stretch of desolate highway. It was the first time I'd ever seen such a long stretch without a coffee and pee break appearing over the horizon somewhere.

My 2017 86 (manual) gets a tad better than 30 mpg calculated at fill up. I drive about 36 miles one way to work, and 95% of my commute is 65-80 mph interstate driving.

The average fuel economy gauge indicates 32 mpg, FWIW.

Yep, with no cell coverage and no spare tire ......

humfrz