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06-10-2013, 03:52 PM | #57 | |
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Since the I4 is narrower they can lay it down on an angle to reduce the height it needs (which is what they did in the S2k), it's all about creative packaging.
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I still have friends that work for Honda. They know they need to reverse course, but it doesn't happen over night. It takes years (and no, mild cosmetic refreshes on the Civic after a bad year isn't what I'm talking about). I've heard some hints at what's coming (I'm no longer in the know since I'm at a different OEM) but I'm excited/hopeful for them. Another point is the with the 86 clones. If "built in Japan" is so superior, how come they have so many problems with them? Honestly the last couple Hondas I've owned have been, hands down, tighter / rattle free / better built (admittedly one was built in Japan, the other in Canada)... both of which were first year cars. Point is while there is nothing wrong with being built in Japan (or anywhere), it doesn't mean it's automatically immune to quality issues. I owned a '99 Accord V6 that was built completely (engine / trans / car) in Ohio with 250k miles on it. Besides timing belts / other basic maintainence, it needed an alternator and a drive belt tensioner. That's not poorly built meng. Car ran great when I sold it. And I still don't get why you think they're so incapable of builing a sports car in the states / NA. The NSX is getting a dedicated plant. Engineers travel. Meetings can be had with Japan on a daily basis. There will be bumps with out a doubt, but there will be guidance and perseverence. And no, that doesn't mean the Japanese will have to save the Americans from themselves. Honda has a company moto: "one team." Honda is a fly on the wall when compared to the size of Toyota, or GM or VAG and must be completely unified in what they do. Food for thought: is it looking down upon NA manufacturing that they didn't build the lower volume / specialty cars here, or is it trusting NA manufacturing to handle the high volume cars that ultimately keep the company going? How many S2Ks/RSXs/TSXs were sold versus Accords? Versus Civics? The NA built cars are the ones that are in the hands of the people making Honda's reputation. For every one of the previous NSXs sold, there were a thousand NA built civics sold. * I made that ratio up, but you get my point* You may not like Honda's direction at this moment, and that's fine, but there is nothing wrong with an NSX being built in Ohio, or America. Let's agree to disagree. :happy0180: Last edited by Chimpo; 06-11-2013 at 09:14 AM. |
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My Evo X didn't have that many problems. I had a first year, and the steering wheel sensor had to be fixed, a fuel line had to be 'tweaked', and a couple other small time things. For the FR-S, the tail lights and fuel pump so far. Made in Japan isn't perfect but the FR-S runs fine, and I paid a whopping $0.00 to have it fixed. Unlike an Accord or Civic, this is a completely new car with new tech from the ground up. Difference in manufacturing and expertise. Honda has the guns to make a 86 killer but bean counters are killing them. :happy0180: |
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This thread makes me tired...
On topic, I test drove a '12 civic si when car shopping. It felt alright, got loud when you got on it. Seemed well built, nice transmission. But the gimicky VTEC light and crazy cockpit layout made it a no go for me. |
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Things like that really make me question the companies and the people who they put in charge. Seriously, who at Honda thought that this was a good idea? It's not as if they are building these cars for 15 year-olds who fall for that kind of crap. It's way worse than the G-meter gauge in the Nissan Sentra a few years ago.
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