BRZ/FR-S vs 2015 Mustang

[Hanni_0176]

They should have left the looks alone, and just trimmed it down a bit.

Anyway, I used to own a 2000 Mustang (V6) when I was a teenager, and always wanted an 03/04 Cobra, but still haven't gotten around to ever getting one (always wanted a 4th gen Supra too, but yea).

If they can get the Mustang down to around 3000 lbs with a turbocharged 4 cylinder "SVO," I think Toyota/Subaru are going to have their work cut out for them with increasing power figures (hp/tq) to compete.

[chaoskaze]

I think they are just trying to make it look like that Mustang designed by Italian design power house Giugiaro back in 06. Which can be good......if it's not molested by some imbecile in ford design department.

[Anaxilus]

Originally Posted by TruRace

I'm pretty sure pricing for the 2014 z28 hasn't been announced yet (could be wrong though). The z28 lapped Nurburgring faster than the Lexus LFA, Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera, and the Porsche 911 Carerra S... Not exactly a nonsense collector item.

It pretty much has actually.

Umm, yeah 00:00.53ms faster than a base spec LFA. Many of those times for tons of cars were never even crried out past seconds so we really don't know for sure. Still not faster than the track tuned Nurburging package at 7:14.64 which is what the Z/28 (7:37.47) is for the regular Camaro.

That's 6th fastest time ever versus 36th. So let's not get carried away w/o proper perspective.

http://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-t...times-top-100/

It is nonsense because a 2011 Corvette Z06 did 7:22.63.
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4-cylinder Muscle car? Thx but just no. They might as well rebadge Fiats. I think you can find a 4 cylinder Mustang for real cheap on Ebay, someone might even give you one for free.

Btw, I think that render is pretty crude and is missing things that make it look much worse than it will be.

[chrisl]

Originally Posted by thill

Smaller, lighter, independent suspension. These were all musts with the Mustang. I am excited to see the finished project, but if these renderings are close to being accurate, I think Ford missed the boat on design:
http://www.autoblog.com/2013/10/15/2...ke-real-thing/

I kind of like that look, though I think it would look better with wheels an inch or two smaller. I'd want to see it in person to decide for sure, but I think the design has a lot of potential (both aesthetically and technically).

[Anaxilus]

Originally Posted by chrisl

I kind of like that look, though I think it would look better with wheels an inch or two smaller. I'd want to see it in person to decide for sure, but I think the design has a lot of potential (both aesthetically and technically).

Absolutely right. Easy to fix up a Mustang. Fake louver over glass here, hood scoop there, tack on a spoiler, angry grill and headlights, name it Jessica, all done!

Base Mustang today looks pretty bland in case anyone didn't notice.

[ThisIsChrisKim]

By cutting down the Mustang so much, will it still be maintaining its muscle car heritage? I wonder if muscle car purists would be crying afoul of the new design of the Mustang once it debuts at a rather slim-ish ~3200lbs and smaller size.

[Sonolin]

Originally Posted by ThisIsChrisKim

By cutting down the Mustang so much, will it still be maintaining its muscle car heritage? I wonder if muscle car purists would be crying afoul of the new design of the Mustang once it debuts at a rather slim-ish ~3200lbs and smaller size.

I don't think so. The Mustang & Camaro were always "pony cars" compared to the big block muscle cars of the day like the Hemi Cuda, Charger, and 454 Chevelle () - all were much larger cars. Mustang & Camaro were smaller cars with small block & sometimes big block v8's put in them.

Anyway, I'm very excited to see what the next gen mustang is like and I'm sure I'll be taking a test drive in one. The only thing I didn't like about the current gen was it felt like a boat - if they can fix that they'll have an excellent car.

[TruRace]

Originally Posted by Anaxilus

It pretty much has actually.

Umm, yeah 00:00.53ms faster than a base spec LFA. Many of those times for tons of cars were never even crried out past seconds so we really don't know for sure. Still not faster than the track tuned Nurburging package at 7:14.64 which is what the Z/28 (7:37.47) is for the regular Camaro.

That's 6th fastest time ever versus 36th. So let's not get carried away w/o proper perspective.

http://nurburgringlaptimes.com/lap-t...times-top-100/

It is nonsense because a 2011 Corvette Z06 did 7:22.63.
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I did a quick search and can't seem to find anything.

These are $100,000+ "supercars" we are comparing the z28 too. You have to give credit where credit is due.

What is nonsense about the z06 time?

[utekineir]

Originally Posted by TruRace

I'm pretty sure pricing for the 2014 z28 hasn't been announced yet (could be wrong though). The z28 lapped Nurburgring faster than the Lexus LFA, Lamborghini Gallardo Superleggera, and the Porsche 911 Carerra S... Not exactly a nonsense collector item.

theres an article where someone at gm says it will be the most expensive camaro variant

as in > zl1

[WolfpackS2k]

Isn't the ZL1 around $59k? I feel like the Z/28 shouldn't have CCB's standard. If they were an option instead that's $8k right there.

[OrbitalEllipses]

Generic race car for the street edition Camaro beats LFA around Nurburgring. Which one would I rather be seen in (and own)? The LFA...

Originally Posted by ThisIsChrisKim

By cutting down the Mustang so much, will it still be maintaining its muscle car heritage? I wonder if muscle car purists would be crying afoul of the new design of the Mustang once it debuts at a rather slim-ish ~3200lbs and smaller size.

It's a pony car. The pony cars always weighed less than muscle cars.

[SigmaHyperion]

Originally Posted by ThisIsChrisKim

By cutting down the Mustang so much, will it still be maintaining its muscle car heritage? I wonder if muscle car purists would be crying afoul of the new design of the Mustang once it debuts at a rather slim-ish ~3200lbs and smaller size.

Pony cars, the Mustang and Camaro, were always supposed to be small. And were for quite some time.

It's only with the rapid demise of the true muscle cars in the late 70s, that had the Pony cars move up to fill their gaps in the late 80's

For the first 25 years of its life, the Mustang was quite small. It debuted at a mere 2,500lbs. Keep in mind, that a full-size car at that time, like the Galaxie, tipped the scales at nearly 4,000lbs. The Mustang, in its time, was even smaller and lighter than the BRZ/FRS is compared to many of its modern peers.

For half its 50-year lifespan it managed to remain under 3000lbs, and now tops 3,500lbs. A modern Mustang is now only 300lbs shy its full-size sedan brethren the Taurus. In 1964 it was seperated from the Galaxie by over 1,300lbs.

So the Mustang could lose HALF A TON, and still remain as disparate today from Ford's lineup as it was 50 years ago when it debuted.

[Anaxilus]

Originally Posted by TruRace

What is nonsense about the z06 time?

Lol, nothing. That's the point. The new Vette will come close to the Z06 and slaughter the Z/28 for around $15K less give or take. This is why I don't take it seriously when you pay more for less performance simply for aesthetics as a collector item. That's what I was getting at originally.

Originally Posted by SigmaHyperion

Pony cars, the Mustang and Camaro, were always supposed to be small. And were for quite some time.

It's only with the rapid demise of the true muscle cars in the late 70s, that had the Pony cars move up to fill their gaps in the late 80's

For the first 25 years of its life, the Mustang was quite small. It debuted at a mere 2,500lbs. Keep in mind, that a full-size car at that time, like the Galaxie, tipped the scales at nearly 4,000lbs. The Mustang, in its time, was even smaller and lighter than the BRZ/FRS is compared to many of its modern peers.

For half its 50-year lifespan it managed to remain under 3000lbs, and now tops 3,500lbs. A modern Mustang is now only 300lbs shy its full-size sedan brethren the Taurus. In 1964 it was seperated from the Galaxie by over 1,300lbs.

So the Mustang could lose HALF A TON, and still remain as disparate today from Ford's lineup as it was 50 years ago when it debuted.

Exactly! People have the wrong impression of muscle/pony cars IMO. If they had kept true to their origins I would have owned a domestic a lot longer ago. It's was the land cruiser/led sled era in the 70's that made everything get huge for the sake of comfort. I've never been a led sled guy. The pinnacle of American Muscle cars for me is the AC Shelby Cobra and 427 Corvette Stingray or the 2400lb Dodge Hemi Dart. Not those big ass boats.

So I think Ford is moving in the right direction and getting back to it's real roots.

[chulooz]

Originally Posted by Anaxilus

Lol, nothing. That's the point. The new Vette will come close to the Z06 and slaughter the Z/28 for around $15K less give or take. This is why I don't take it seriously when you pay more for less performance simply for aesthetics as a collector item. That's what I was getting at originally.

So wouldnt you think the z28 performs incredibly well against $400,000+ exotics, you waste 4x the money on one car that doesnt even perform better than chevy's tricked out camaro?. It doesnt matter what you think the car is a rocket and hardly a novelty. Yes, we all know its still a camaro