Would you go back to n/a? - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

Derka · 03-01-2015, 08:48 PM

This is a question that has been dancing around in my head the last week or so. I have a 2015 frs with a kraftwerks kit on it. The car runs nicely and makes good power. But I just suffered a catalytic converter failure. I know it's not the end of the world but I feel I may have sacrificed the part I loved about the car , being fun and simple.

This brings me to my question. I almost want to return it back to stock. I just feel I miss when I could just hop in the car and drive it. It always seems now that I'm looking for something wrong, checking belts, fluids, and all the stuff you don't need to do on a daily basis with a stock car.

Have you or would you be ok with a low powered car after you tasted what it was like with forced induction?

jflogerzi · 03-01-2015, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Derka

This is a question that has been dancing around in my head the least week or so. I have a 2015 frs with a kraftwerks kit on it. The car runs nicely and makes good power. But I just suffered a catalytic converter failure. I know it's not the end of the world but I feel I may have sacrificed the part I loved about the car , being fun and simple.

This brings me to my question. I almost want to return it back to stock. I just feel I miss when I could just hop in the car and drive it. It always seems now that I'm looking for something wrong, checking belts, fluids, and all the stuff you don't need to do on a daily basis with a stock car.

Have you or would you be ok with a low powered car after you tasted what it was like with forced induction?

Thats part of the game. The kit is already installed. I would just a get a decent catless header and enjoy the car. SC's preserve the car's NA feel but you just make more power everywhere just about.

Derka · 03-01-2015, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by jflogerzi

Thats part of the game. The kit is already installed. I would just a get a decent catless header and enjoy the car. SC's preserve the car's NA feel but you just make more power everywhere just about.

You're 100% correct. And I get the whole build it better thing. The car has been sitting a week for me to decide what I'm doing with it. And the only reason I'm so confused is because the car was so damn good before the charger. As well as after.

jflogerzi · 03-01-2015, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Derka

You're 100% correct. And I get the whole build it better thing. The car has been sitting a week for me to decide what I'm doing with it. And the only reason I'm so confused is because the car was so damn good before the charger. As well as after.

If you look around most people have had good luck with SC's. As a person who is looking at potentially adding FI, I think you will regret ripping it out so soon after a very minor setback. With just a bit more power, it really does transform the car and the way it drives. What other problems have you had? Also think of the $$$ loss in selling a used kit, the cost to remove it(if you had it installed)

Derka · 03-01-2015, 09:09 PM

No other "problems" but tuning the car has been a pita, and the belt rattle with the kraftwerks is annoying. I got a great deal on the charger and really won't lose much money.

jflogerzi · 03-01-2015, 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Derka

No other "problems" but tuning the car has been a pita, and the belt rattle with the kraftwerks is annoying. I got a great deal on the charger and really won't lose much money.

If tuning is a problem your using the wrong tuner. Also belt rattling? Have you called Kraftworks?

Derka · 03-01-2015, 09:14 PM

Forget their customer service (kraftwerks)lol. I've been using mike from moto-east. All is well just time consuming. The car made 280 whp with a small blower and no other mods. It runs great!

Look at the last page on the kraftwerks owners page for more info

Alltezza · 03-01-2015, 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Derka

This is a question that has been dancing around in my head the last week or so. I have a 2015 frs with a kraftwerks kit on it. The car runs nicely and makes good power. But I just suffered a catalytic converter failure. I know it's not the end of the world but I feel I may have sacrificed the part I loved about the car , being fun and simple.

This brings me to my question. I almost want to return it back to stock. I just feel I miss when I could just hop in the car and drive it. It always seems now that I'm looking for something wrong, checking belts, fluids, and all the stuff you don't need to do on a daily basis with a stock car.

Have you or would you be ok with a low powered car after you tasted what it was like with forced induction?

Are you trying to pass emissions ?

Derka · 03-01-2015, 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Alltezza

Are you trying to pass emissions ?

Nope. No testing or anything in florida

I'm more worried about what's next? Will I be able to drive the car from fl to nc without problems? Is the car still reliable?

It's all in my head. I've built many cars and have had issues and I'm aware on over coming them.

sam69 · 03-01-2015, 10:02 PM

There's no way I would go back to NA as I bought the car with SC in mind and it makes a good car sooooo much more fun imo

zkv476 · 03-01-2015, 11:38 PM

Hey be glad it's not a turbo haha. I have all kinds of fun (problems) but to me that's just part of the game. Oil leaks, tuning issues, fueling, I just swapped transmissions for the third time on Friday :p. But yet I like working on my car and it's still enjoyable, that's why I keep doing it.

campy · 03-02-2015, 12:04 AM

I was actually thinking about this, and I decided that if I were to start unloading parts, the only aftermarket part I would keep would be my supercharger. After getting used to the extra power, I worry the car would just feel dull back at 160whp.

Just go on a local FRS/BRZ facebook group and buy someone's stock header or frontpipe for cheap, then get back to enjoying your car. Don't let a single problem make you regret building the car you want. Alternatively you could sell the kit, count your losses, and treat this as a lesson. Your choice.

whataboutbob · 03-02-2015, 12:12 AM

No, the boost is too fun. 40K+ on my Innovate kit and 76K+ on the car, with very little issues.

SPCorBUST · 03-02-2015, 01:09 AM

Already did it. 385whp on E85 on the KW SC to ??? on E85 NA. Just tracked at Buttonwillow yesterday. Any less fun? Not really. The peace of mind is definitely nice. Btw, I'm also using Mike at Moto-East as my FlexFuel tuner, as well as his kit.

03-01-2015, 08:48 PM	#1
Derka Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Drives: 2015 frs Location: Spring hill florida Posts: 105 Thanks: 15 Thanked 56 Times in 26 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Would you go back to n/a? This is a question that has been dancing around in my head the last week or so. I have a 2015 frs with a kraftwerks kit on it. The car runs nicely and makes good power. But I just suffered a catalytic converter failure. I know it's not the end of the world but I feel I may have sacrificed the part I loved about the car , being fun and simple. This brings me to my question. I almost want to return it back to stock. I just feel I miss when I could just hop in the car and drive it. It always seems now that I'm looking for something wrong, checking belts, fluids, and all the stuff you don't need to do on a daily basis with a stock car. Have you or would you be ok with a low powered car after you tasted what it was like with forced induction? Last edited by Derka; 03-01-2015 at 09:21 PM.

03-01-2015, 11:38 PM	#11
zkv476 Senior Member Join Date: May 2014 Drives: 2014 SWP BRZ, MT Location: New Jersey Posts: 240 Thanks: 11 Thanked 140 Times in 90 Posts Mentioned: 5 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Hey be glad it's not a turbo haha. I have all kinds of fun (problems) but to me that's just part of the game. Oil leaks, tuning issues, fueling, I just swapped transmissions for the third time on Friday :p. But yet I like working on my car and it's still enjoyable, that's why I keep doing it. __________________ The answer is racecar. Always.

03-02-2015, 01:09 AM	#14
SPCorBUST Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2011 Drives: 2013 Subaru BRZ Limited Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 935 Thanks: 525 Thanked 399 Times in 255 Posts Mentioned: 23 Post(s) Tagged: 2 Thread(s)	Already did it. 385whp on E85 on the KW SC to ??? on E85 NA. Just tracked at Buttonwillow yesterday. Any less fun? Not really. The peace of mind is definitely nice. Btw, I'm also using Mike at Moto-East as my FlexFuel tuner, as well as his kit. __________________ Setup 1: KW C38, Grams 550, Grams 265, 4bar, FlexFuel, Delicious Setup 3: JR C30, DW 700, Grams 265, 3bar, FlexFuel, Moto-East Setup 4: JR C30 HBP, DW 700, Grams 265, 3bar, FlexFuel, Church Setup 5: JR C30 HBP, DW 700, DW 300, 3bar, FlexFuel, Delicious, Built Motor Setup 6: JR C30 HBP, DW 700, DW 300, 3bar, FlexFuel, Delicious, Closed Deck Built Motor

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03-01-2015, 09:09 PM	#5
Derka Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Drives: 2015 frs Location: Spring hill florida Posts: 105 Thanks: 15 Thanked 56 Times in 26 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	No other "problems" but tuning the car has been a pita, and the belt rattle with the kraftwerks is annoying. I got a great deal on the charger and really won't lose much money.

03-01-2015, 09:14 PM	#7
Derka Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2014 Drives: 2015 frs Location: Spring hill florida Posts: 105 Thanks: 15 Thanked 56 Times in 26 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	Forget their customer service (kraftwerks)lol. I've been using mike from moto-east. All is well just time consuming. The car made 280 whp with a small blower and no other mods. It runs great! Look at the last page on the kraftwerks owners page for more info

03-01-2015, 10:02 PM	#10
sam69 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Drives: GT 86 Location: australia Posts: 369 Thanks: 84 Thanked 121 Times in 77 Posts Mentioned: 3 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	There's no way I would go back to NA as I bought the car with SC in mind and it makes a good car sooooo much more fun imo

03-02-2015, 12:04 AM	#12
campy No rice, no life Join Date: Dec 2012 Drives: 2013 Asphalt FR-S Location: Jersey Shore Posts: 1,143 Thanks: 266 Thanked 1,019 Times in 388 Posts Mentioned: 7 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	I was actually thinking about this, and I decided that if I were to start unloading parts, the only aftermarket part I would keep would be my supercharger. After getting used to the extra power, I worry the car would just feel dull back at 160whp. Just go on a local FRS/BRZ facebook group and buy someone's stock header or frontpipe for cheap, then get back to enjoying your car. Don't let a single problem make you regret building the car you want. Alternatively you could sell the kit, count your losses, and treat this as a lesson. Your choice.

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