Third Party Testing: Crawford Billet Power Blocks (BPB / Manifold Spacers) - Page 9 - Toyota GR86, 86, FR-S and Subaru BRZ Forum & Owners Community

wparsons · 03-31-2014, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Crawford Performance

Power wise yes... but shifting the power to a more usable RPM is still a valid idea. We will test them on our Turbo BRZ to see how the gains are.

Not disagreeing, but I don't think they'll have the same bang for buck value as on an N/A car. On a supercharged car, where boost is limited by a pulley and not just a boost controller, the gain/value might still be good though.

86-tundra · 03-31-2014, 12:14 PM

GB may be affected by openflash customers. personally I will be waiting for the discounted version with open flash monies

Victor Draken · 03-31-2014, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by nelsmar

You should repost the link. I have had at least ten people tell me they are adding it to their list of mods to purchase coming up. I'll forward it to them. And I'll toss it in the original post.

https://www.facebook.com/events/277229732435324/

Nevermore · 03-31-2014, 01:05 PM

So this, plus a drop-in air filter, full engine back exhaust, and tune, equals..?

Namuna · 03-31-2014, 01:09 PM

Link to the GB: https://www.facebook.com/events/277229732435324/

*** $150 Deposit REQUIRED to get in on it. It end this Friday, April 4th.

Discount Tiers (# of people required to get the corresponding discount rate):
0 to 40 = 10% off
40 to 80 = 15% off
80 to 100 = 20% off

Sojhinn · 03-31-2014, 01:10 PM

I have access to a dyno. I can test any part anyone wants to send me. Unfortunately I can't afford parts as readily as others. But if anyone wants to contribute or loan me parts I'll be happy to test.

nelsmar · 03-31-2014, 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Nevermore

So this, plus a drop-in air filter, full engine back exhaust, and tune, equals..?

Depends on the exhaust.

I haven't done any extensive testing of exhausts yet so I can't say how much. A filter + blocks + tune do a fairly decent improvement.

Nevermore · 03-31-2014, 01:21 PM

I only ask because I wasn't planning on going too crazy and so far all I've come up with is the filter and exhaust. I know I'm staying n/a, so I'm just curious what else I might be able to add without changing too much or going too extreme. I'll keep an eye on this stuff.

nelsmar · 03-31-2014, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Namuna

Link to the GB: https://www.facebook.com/events/277229732435324/

*** $150 Deposit REQUIRED to get in on it. It end this Friday, April 4th.

Discount Tiers (# of people required to get the corresponding discount rate):
0 to 40 = 10% off
40 to 80 = 15% off
80 to 100 = 20% off

Thanks! I added this to the OP.

Shiv@Openflash · 03-31-2014, 03:59 PM

Fwiw, we will be offering the BPB at $300 to all our OFT customers who want to/can cash in $100 OFT dollars. We will also offer an OFT+BPB combo package as well. Prices to be released on wed

CARNZ · 03-31-2014, 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Fwiw, we will be offering the BPB at $300 to all our OFT customers who want to/can cash in $100 OFT dollars.

Any hook up for OFH customers?

I don't have an OFT though.

mid_life_crisis · 03-31-2014, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sojhinn

I have access to a dyno. I can test any part anyone wants to send me. Unfortunately I can't afford parts as readily as others. But if anyone wants to contribute or loan me parts I'll be happy to test.

That's right, you're a teacher.
If you wanted to take a vow of poverty, you should have just become a priest.

w00t692 · 03-31-2014, 04:56 PM

tl;dr:

looked at product, lengthens intake runners, not even surprised to see sooner peak power with more average torque earlier on. This is exactly what lengthening intake runners a specified amount is expected to do. Peak power is sooner, and past that will die off. Now there's a limit to that, depending what wave harmonic you're using, if you keep lengthening you'll move the power up higher again. A second order harmonic will require excessively long runners.

Looks like a nice addition for anyone that wants their power sooner. Considering these engines don't rev all that high, it's probably good for anyone with a brz/fr-s that's all motor.

Andrew025 · 03-31-2014, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiv@vishnu

Fwiw, we will be offering the BPB at $300 to all our OFT customers who want to/can cash in $100 OFT dollars. We will also offer an OFT+BPB combo package as well. Prices to be released on wed

Is there anyway to see our remaining OFT dollars or is that just something we need to email/call about?

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w00t692 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Drives: 2008 Civic Si Location: United States Posts: 111 Thanks: 7 Thanked 29 Times in 24 Posts Mentioned: 0 Post(s) Tagged: 0 Thread(s)	tl;dr: looked at product, lengthens intake runners, not even surprised to see sooner peak power with more average torque earlier on. This is exactly what lengthening intake runners a specified amount is expected to do. Peak power is sooner, and past that will die off. Now there's a limit to that, depending what wave harmonic you're using, if you keep lengthening you'll move the power up higher again. A second order harmonic will require excessively long runners. Looks like a nice addition for anyone that wants their power sooner. Considering these engines don't rev all that high, it's probably good for anyone with a brz/fr-s that's all motor.

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