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Old 11-27-2019, 06:33 PM   #785
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Sounds to me that the Corvette Engineers did what was best for owners and not supposed "experts".
Sorry Dadhawk don't mean to troll you or anything, but does this mean Porsche, Ferrari, Mclaren, and others did what is best for the supposed "experts" and not the owners? and does this mean if there really is an understeer problem with the C8 that GM will not try to rectify this problem with the coming improvements on the C8 or even the C9 because they want to do what's best for the owners?

I don't know if there will be an understeer problem with the C8 as these are just initial reports and I sure hope they are wrong because I have my eyes on it but I really think it's important to call out problems with a car no matter how much you like it. That's how manufacturers are pressured to improve things.
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Old 11-27-2019, 06:58 PM   #786
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This a joke? Let's be honest here. 99% of the posters on this forum don't have the driving talent to realize, at the limit, which of those two cars has better handling or brakes. Nevermind a BASE 911 costs $100,000.

Bench racing with your head in the clouds is just silly.
Thanks for the this comment WolfpackS2k but I have to agree with Coaster on this one. No joke. I know I can't reach the limits of such cars but that does not mean I'm OK with having a car that's not what I want on the limit if I ever do happen to reach it.

I didn't want a Viper back in its prime days because I did not like how it handled on the limit. Sure I know it has very very fat tires that I'm very unlikely to find those limits myself but knowing what it is, I would not want one.

Also, on the limit handling is telling of what the car will be like even when driving say at 4/10ths. If the car has heavy understeer on the limit, it will feel resistant to turn at 4/10ths and so on.

I'm not saying the C8 understeer is this severe (if it even exists at all as these are initial reviews) but if initial reports are true than yes this can be a deal breaker for some even if they can't reach those limits.

Wanting such things in your car is not bench racing. I have Brembo brakes on my BRZ. I'm pretty sure the standard brakes would've done the job 99% of the time I'm using my BRZ but I still opted for them. It's a spec I'll be using 1% of the time but I still want my car to have it.
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Old 11-29-2019, 09:06 PM   #787
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..I don't know if there will be an understeer problem with the C8 as these are just initial reports and I sure hope they are wrong because I have my eyes on it but I really think it's important to call out problems with a car no matter how much you like it. That's how manufacturers are pressured to improve things.
That's just it, I didn't read it as being reported as an understeer "problem". It reads more like its part of the tuning they felt was necessary to make the car roadable for their typical buyer. If it is a problem, I certainly hope they manage to tune it out.
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I suspect with z06 and zl1 it will be less of a problem. Not sure why ppl are bitching. It's a fantastic machine that's approachable. GM is marketing this to younger buyers who may not have experience in a mid engine car while trying not to alienate the core buyer

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The Chevrolet C8 Corvette Stingray Is a Loss Leader

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The all-new mid-engine C8 Corvette's impressive $59,995 starting price is only good for the first year, as we reported back in August, and unless it goes up by $20,000, Chevrolet will continue to lose money on low-trim cars, a senior GM source tells MotorTrend.

We had a feeling the $59,995 starting price was too good to be true, and a GM source confirmed as much to us explaining the price would rise for the 2021 model year. This isn't much of a surprise, as the base price of a C7 rose nearly $2,000 in its second year and by another $2,000 the following year. While we still don't know how much the C8's price will rise in 2021, a more senior GM official tells us it would have to go through the roof in order to cover GM's cost.

According to our source, the original budget for the C8 project assumed a starting price of $79,995. This is certainly reasonable considering the enormous amount of work needed to redesign the car into a mid-engine configuration, but it's a huge jump from the C7. In order to keep customers from revolting, Chevy is taking it on the chin and willingly losing money on every C8 it sells for less than $80,000. No doubt a factor in the C8's laundry list of options and dress-up parts is the hope buyers will load up their cars with extras and turn their $60,000 Stingrays into $80,000-plus Stingrays. The C8 Stingray Z71 3LT we tested rang up at $88,305.

More critical are the base prices of upcoming performance variants including Z06 and ZR1. According to our source, the sweet spot for profit and volume is between $80,000 and $100,000. Once the car crests six figures, our source says, sales volume drops off precipitously. This will be a trick for Chevrolet, because the C7 Z06 starts at $82,990, which doesn't leave the company much room for an increase without upsetting customers and breaking out of the sweet spot in price and volume. The C7 ZR1, meanwhile, already starts at $135,090, so Chevrolet has more discretion to price the C8 ZR1 knowing full well it will be a low-volume car.
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That C7 with a manual transmission is getting more tempting after reading this
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EXCLUSIVE: C7 vs. C8 Corvette on the Track! Pro Racer Randy Pobst Drives Both

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EXCLUSIVE: C7 vs. C8 Corvette on the Track! Pro Racer Randy Pobst Drives Both

https://www.motortrend.com/cars/chev...e-track-review

At the 6:48 mark, "...a giant leap forward for the nameplate." -- Randy Pobst

High praise. They mention the track alignment with aggressive caster and camber settings made the car easier to control on track. Maybe street, too, (if you have access to Discount Tires nearby)?
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At the 6:48 mark, "...a giant leap forward for the nameplate." -- Randy Pobst
Also liked the discussion about (paraphrasing) "notice we aren't talking about understeer here, but oversteer"
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Thanks for the this comment WolfpackS2k but I have to agree with Coaster on this one. No joke. I know I can't reach the limits of such cars but that does not mean I'm OK with having a car that's not what I want on the limit if I ever do happen to reach it.

I didn't want a Viper back in its prime days because I did not like how it handled on the limit. Sure I know it has very very fat tires that I'm very unlikely to find those limits myself but knowing what it is, I would not want one.

Also, on the limit handling is telling of what the car will be like even when driving say at 4/10ths. If the car has heavy understeer on the limit, it will feel resistant to turn at 4/10ths and so on.

I'm not saying the C8 understeer is this severe (if it even exists at all as these are initial reviews) but if initial reports are true than yes this can be a deal breaker for some even if they can't reach those limits.

Wanting such things in your car is not bench racing. I have Brembo brakes on my BRZ. I'm pretty sure the standard brakes would've done the job 99% of the time I'm using my BRZ but I still opted for them. It's a spec I'll be using 1% of the time but I still want my car to have it.
I'd recommend taking your car on track to some HPDEs, because that's not actually how it works with most cars' handling.

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Honestly I don't really believe these "sources". It's no different than when Chevy replaced the C4 with the C5 and had to develop a transaxle accommodating platform. The Corvette shares next to nothing with other Chevy models (other than the basics of it's engine).
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I'd recommend taking your car on track to some HPDEs, because that's not actually how it works with most cars' handling.
Can you please elaborate a little bit more on what you mean to suggest by this recommendation? I'm honestly missing the point.
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Can you please elaborate a little bit more on what you mean to suggest by this recommendation? I'm honestly missing the point.
I think he is referring to your description of driving on the limit and 10th's.
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