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09-04-2015, 02:41 PM | #29 | |
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Also, interestingly enough, Shelby & Ford Performance is running their "Track Tour" program at Laguna Seca, Sebring, Road America and LRP to demo their GT350 and GT350R, and all participants are being provided a Hybrid Sport to use with the factory belts.
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An added benefit is how they hold you in the seat. I put them on with the seat all the way back, then slide the seat forward to make them super tight. I'm no longer using my knees to keep from moving around. The fact that you realize you are getting faster and are thinking about the risk is a good sign. Driving well within your limits on areas of the track that pose more risk is an easy answer. It's ok to do that. After all, like someone said, we aren't racing. We are there to have fun. You have also picked a good car. A twin is something you can really work to get everything out of and not find yourself doing 150 mph. A couple of other notes. A stock street cars safety systems were not designed or intended to adequately protect you at 140mph. Not even at 100mph. In 2009 the Feds increased the rollover protection standards on passenger cars. Manufacturers were given 3 years to comply with those standards. 2012 and later cars meet those new standards. While even the new standards aren't going to protect you in a 90mph end over end crash, it's still something to take into consideration when making your choices.
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Good to hear. The reason I asked is it's important for people new to the hobby that may have read your other comment to understand that a Head & Neck restraint is possible, and a good idea, even in a "street car" setup. |
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09-04-2015, 04:13 PM | #32 | |
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I think one of the other requirements to meet DOT is they have the button to release the belts - like normal street car belts. |
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I'm a Miata guy and will pickup a BRZ very soon. I've had a cage and 4 point bars in my Miatas. For the BRZ, based on what I've seen in my own research about the car unibody design (roof) and crash test videos... I'm going with a 4 point harness - no 4pt roll bar. A harness bar is a possibility. I have the same DefNder H&N restraint as Pomroy, which I will use. The Simpson option is very interesting and I may get one. I'm at a track at least once per month, do checkout rides, and am actually quite risk averse. I'm satisfied that this setup will be appropriate for what I'm doing, and the way I drive. |
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Another safety item that rarely gets mentioned.
Tires. Put on tires with very little grip and the car can only go around a corner with very little speed. Translation: if an incident occurs the car/driver experiences less...."physics".
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That's for sure. I'm still on the stock tires (about to replace them though) and the last HPDE a few weeks ago was quite fun -- you can be at/near the limit at relatively slow speed, especially on the tighter track configurations.
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First event I ever went to in 2007 saw a Boxster roll over at Roebling at turn 9, seen others. I'm actually amazed by the number of really bad incidents I've seen there, lucky everyone's made it out ok-ish.
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I think your thread may have bled over into this one a bit. That's ok as it seems safety is our ultimate goal. here's something for discussion (maybe more on your thread). What would happen if 200 tread wear tires were the max allowed? Anyone that's been doing this for very long knows what happens to lap times and corner speeds on those tires compared to slicks. I'm not saying I'm a fan of excessive regulation. But if it came down to it, it's something I could live with.
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I'll also never forget frying my brakes at a track day and driving home with a spongy pedal in some really heavy traffic. Motul RBF 600 was ordered on Amazon prime before my head hit the pillow that day. But that falls under the 'car maintenance' category of the safety checklist. If there was more time in the HPDE day it would be great to go over that safety list in detail but they've got enough on their hands making sure people don't go sailing off track because they forgot what turn they were on. |
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If I can't find a workable solution, I will likely sell the car and get an E36 without side airbags. I figure that allows me to drive to and from the track AND do a half cage, seats, six points and HANS. But I will really miss my BRZ if that happens. Note, the safety discussion has been becoming more prevalent at some group's track days. NASA Northeast devotes an entire classroom session each weekend to these issues.
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Racing = full cage, fire suit, fire suppression, etc... Everything. That's what we have in our ChumpCar Miata. However, I'm doing HPDE events with Chin Motorsports... these are some of the things that go through my mind and influence my plan. The important thing is to keep your eyes and ears open for better ideas and feedback.
Is putting a half cage, full cage, or 4pt bar in a BRZ for HPDE events a bad idea? If it works with how you use the car otherwise... my opinion is: Nope. Anything less than a full cage, fire suit, fire suppression, etc in a car on a race track can be said to be less safe than a "street car" on a race track. We've all tried to explain to those we know / work with what we do. They may think what we do is a little "risky". We've all seen their eyes glaze over when we try to explain it. The important thing is that I know that I'm not being "reckless". Each of us has to, in good faith, think about what we are doing with the car on a race track. Then we have to make our own choices. People will make different choices. The Bullshyte stops at Pit Out. As I said, be open to other ideas and feedback. I am. |
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[ame]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ClaEIB1X5YA[/ame] Interesting argument about switching to an earlier model car because it doesn't have the side airbags for you to lose if you change the seat. There are many other safety upgrades in later model cars. Like the improved rollover protection. It's good that you are seeking information. That will give you a firm foundation to do what you fell is best for your situation. A car that shares the street and track will always have compromises. Suspension, brakes, power, cooling and safety. Theres no perfect solution. You should approach your on track driving with that insight.
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